Hi Proclaimer, you are not much keen on my posts as I am for none here. I am a rationalist on the religion. Please read my posts on Mike’s “Many Gods of the Bible”. I find the NT writings are more developed and evolved after so many centuries but are more mythological than those of Hebrew scriptures.

Question for you Berean or for your SDA elders.
Do you agree with the following statement? Yes or No.

If you become a new creation, then you cease to exist, and a new version of you is created to replace you.

This is the problem with many SDA activists even I am having my own cousin who is also a hardcore SDA fighter. Recently I was studying on…[Read more]

Cosmogony in the Hebrew Bible (A Christian version)

The cosmos God created was familiar to Ancient Semitic cosmology, sharing the world view of the firmament. The firmament is like an inverted bowl, set up in a bowl-like saucer, with the waters surrounding it. There is water above the firmament as well as Sheol (the dwelling place of the…[Read more]

There is nothing in the scriptures to indicate any such thing.  Perhaps you’d entertain the much more plausible and scripturally supported possibility that Gen 1:1 is a preliminary opening statement that prepares the reader for the event they are about to read about… and Gen 2:1-3 is the summary statement that follows the step-by-step crea…

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How Yahweh, the Tribal God of Israelites became universal God?

Yahweh is the name of the state god of the ancient Kingdom of Israel and, later, the Kingdom of Judah. His name is composed of four Hebrew consonants (YHWH, known as the Tetragrammaton) which the prophet Moses is said to have revealed to his people. As the name of the supreme bein…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your detailed reply to my post. I know you can not agree with my post in full as I have already stated that I differ from you on the origin and evolution of the Biblical religion.

You know you always state that Jesus, the first century Jew was created as god among many gods of the Bible which I negate because this was purely…[Read more]

When the Jews Believed in Other Gods

The bible is rife with references to deities other than Yahweh: The prophets didn’t deny these gods existed, they just didn’t think Jews should worship them.

There is but one God, according to Jewish religious dogma. No other exists. We tend to assume that our forefathers devoutly believed the same. But the…[Read more]

THE BIBLE’S MANY GODS (A Christian version)

The idea that there are other “gods” who exist as real supernatural beings, albeit infinitely inferior to the only Creator and Redeemer, pervades the Bible. The Psalms fairly explode with evidence. “There is none like you among the gods, O Lord” (86:8); “For great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised;…[Read more]

THAT IS WHY Jesus said,  “this is eternal life Father , that they may believe in “YOU” the “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD. That’s to “us” the true believers,  that is.

1 Corp 8 ; 5-6…….“for though there be,  that are called God’s, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be God.s many and lord’s ) < the parentheses was added to the text.,   “BUT”, unto “…

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Hi Berean thanks for your reply to my post. In fact I searched these verses in different translations like RSV, NRSV, KJV, NKJV, NIV etc. Here is the NIV of Is 26:

13 Lord our God, other lords besides you have ruled over us,
but your name alone do we honor.
14 They are now dead, they live no more;
their spirits do not rise.
You punished them a…

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Hi brother Gene I know the difference between these two Lords but I am interested to know about these lords who were besides Yahweh here in these verse.

Who are the other lords in Isaiah 26:13-14?

13 O Lord our God,
other lords besides thee have ruled over us,
but thy name alone we acknowledge.
14 They are dead, they will not live;
they are shades, they will not arise;
to that end thou hast visited them with destruction
and wiped out all remembrance of them.

We all should be adjusting our understanding as we grow in understanding, espically if we believe what Paul said, that we only see in part at this time in our lives. Let all be open to change as we grow in understanding then.

Hello brother Gene, I know you are much interested of the response from others on your posts. I tell you the problem with…[Read more]

Adam, we learn of Jesus’ and the other gods’ involvement in the OT too.  For example, “Let US make them in OUR image”.  Maybe that involvement was nothing more than offering suggestions as to what to make next, or even just as spectators offering praise and cheering God on.  (Job 38:7, Proverbs 8:22-31)

That is great catch on how the subordinat…[Read more]

Not a single mention of “Yahweh the Son”, who actually created them according to you.  Kathi, why do you suppose the God-inspired writers of scripture didn’t know about the “Yahweh Unity” that you preach?  Why do these people all assume that Yahweh is only the Father, and that He (not they) created them?

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Hi Adam,

Have I asked you if you have read the Jewish Targums? Do you know about them?

Hi sis Kathi, yes you had asked on Targums in other thread  “Jewish Messiah”.

Ok, what do you want from them on this new thread on “Many Gods of the Bible”?

Not so gadam. If a bible verse can be interpreted say 3 different ways, you ignore the ways that fit with observation or compatibility with other scriptures. You have an agenda to debunk the bible, so of course it is logical that you are anything but neutral.

You may say I am the opposite and not neutral and that is true too. But I am honest…

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Origins of Judaism

The origins of Judaism lie in the Bronze Age amidst polytheistic ancient Semitic religions, specifically evolving out of the polytheistic ancient Canaanite religion, then co-existing with Babylonian religion, and syncretizing elements of Babylonian belief into the worship of Yahweh as reflected in the early prophetic books of t…[Read more]

Genesis 3… 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, knowing good and evil…

So the serpent told Eve that eating from the tree would make her like the gods, knowing good and evil.  And then Go…

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And IF the writer of Hebrews meant to attribute the words of that psalm to Jesus, he was clearly mistaken – because the entire Bible, including direct statements by Jesus himself, attributes the creation of the heaven and earth to God – not to Jesus.

Hi Mike, I appreciate your honesty here. This is what I am struggling to bring out the err…[Read more]