Hello Proclaimer,

You: You say that Jesus hasn’t fulfilled any Old Testament prophecies. However this one is so recognisable as Jesus that even an Atheist would guess it to be Jesus, even if they didn’t believe that Jesus was a real historical person. So you are clearly wrong.

Isaiah 53

Me: I have already presented my arguments on Isaiah 53 i…[Read more]

Hello brother Gene, thanks again for your quick reply on my post.

You: Adam…..Ok,  but you said Jesus brought out, those “prophecies ” correct? So what I am asking you, which prophecies do you see, or think, was about him. Can you give us your opinion brother?

Me: It was not Jesus who brought out the ‘prophecies’ but the Gospel writer Luke c…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

You: So you don’t believe the NT writers were inspired by God?

Me: There is no question of belief here as we are critically debating on the Christian writings.

Hi Jodi thanks again for your quick reply to my post.

You: You are not troubling me, I find this rather fascinating! I don’t recall, after being part of this forum for over a decade, ever debating with someone who has the same interpretations to certain NT passages that pre-existers do, but yet hold a different position all together from t…[Read more]

Hi Danny, please go through the posts and share your views. 2 Tim 3:16 is the opinion of it’s writer. The scriptures he meant were Hebrew scriptures available to the NT writers.

Hi Danny,

You: Well, I believe that everything written in the Old and New Testament was inspired by God. 2 Timothy 3:16

Not one single misapplication

Me: Our beliefs are personal and we are critically arguing the application of Hebrew scriptures by the NT writers on this thread.

Hello brother Gene,

You: I have a question for you,  scripture says Jesus showed his disciples where he was mentioned in scriptures, that he revealed to them showing who he actually was, it says he opened their minds to those scripture where he was mentioned . Can you please post the ones you think he was relating to brother.

Me: This comes…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

You: One is the creator and the other is the agent.

Scripture teaches this clearly, so it is not really up for debate is it?

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Let’s break it…[Read more]

Hello brother gene,

You: Adam……I see it as the author saying that Jesus was exactly as we “now” are, being made a little lower then the angel’s are for the tasting of death, exactly  as we “now” are. But after his resurrection he, “now” has received the Glory and Honor, and “all” thing put under his,  as it will be for all of mankind’s  feet also…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You: Jesus was foreordained from the foundation of the world to execute YHVH’s will and bring forth righteousness and salvation, which is what we read below in Isaiah 46. 

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my ple…[Read more]

For proclaimer….

ISAIAH 53:
In the original Hebrew texts, there are no chapter divisions, and Jew and Christian alike agree that chapter 53 is actually a continuation of the prophecy which begins at 52:13. Accordingly, our analysis must begin at that verse.

52:13 “Behold, My servant will prosper.” Israel in the singular is called God’s servant…[Read more]

For brother Gene on Hebrews 2:5-9 quoting Psalms 8:3-6

(The Hebrew word ’adam means a human being of either gender. I translate adam in verse 4 with the inexact “man” only in order to match the masculine gender of the Hebrew singular pronouns and to underline the parallelism with “son of man” ).

{Verse 5, the NRSV translates this phrase “a…[Read more]

For brother Gene on Hebrews 2:2-9 quoting Psalms 8:3-6

3When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars that you have established;
4what are human beings that you are mindful of them,
mortals that you care for them?
5Yet you have made them a little lower than gods,
and crowned them with glory and honor.
6You have…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

You: You believe the New Testament was corrupted?
Are you saying that God was not able to protect His Word?
Well then you have a very weak God.
My God was able to protect His Word Old and New Testament.

Me: I am sorry I never meant that NT was corrupted. I am only arguing here on the NT writers how they had quoted Hebrew scriptures in…[Read more]

Hello brother Gene,

You: Adam……I also believe God was talking about king Cyrus,  in Isa 46:11, to deliver Israel from the Babylonians .

But the fact remains that God also delivered us from eternal death, by offering up of his human Lamb, Jesus Christ, our lord right?

Me: Thanks for your agrement on Isaiah 46:11. As per your question on Jesu…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You: Reading a few of your previous posts before I posted, I did gather that you do not believe in pre-existence. You did just prove to me again however that you are interpreting scripture as pre-existent believers do though, which I say is false interpretation

Me: Thanks for understanding me. But please don’t be so harsh on me by using…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

You : THE TRUTH IS, THAT NO ONE KNOWS

WHAT GOD IS!
EXCEPT IN JESUS!
 
Genesis 1:26 And he said: Let US make man to
OUR image and likeness:

Me: Please refer my previous post on Gen 1:26 stating that there is plural of God in ‘Us’

You: Gadam, ARE YOU, as a human being, IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD, 

ONE 
or

TWO 
BODY and SOU…[Read more]

Adam…….Great posts brother,  lets hope they take it to heart.  Jesus in prayer said , this is eternal life, that they believe in “YOU” the “ONLY ” TRUE GOD”. Jesus knew full well there was only “ONE” TRUE GOD”.

Hello brother Gene, thanks for your appreciation. In fact the verse you quoted from John 17:3-5 again talks about the role of Jesus in pr…[Read more]

Berean:

Ishmael’s persecution against Isaac began in Genesis 21:8-9)

This persecution took the form of Ishmael, likely a teenager at the time, laughing at or mocking baby Isaac on the day of a feast in celebration of his being weaned (Genesis 21:8–9).

Please see the intention of Paul on comparing Ishmael to Jewish people at his time and Chr…[Read more]

Another  verse Hebrews 1:10-12 (NRSV)

10 And,

“In the beginning, Lord, you founded the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands;
11 they will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like clothing;
12 like a cloak you will roll them up,
and like clothing they will be changed.
But you are the same,
and your years will never end.”…[Read more]