It is well understood that Daniel got a narrower view of said empires.

Revelation which is much later, has a wider scope.

It includes Daniel and looks beyond and even before.

A narrower view vs a wider view is not an issue for me as it seems to be for you.

Could I suggest that you move on as your own rules have no merit.

It is widely…

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So there you have it Adam. The seven mountains are seven kingdoms

A mountain can mean so many things but we have to see what the writer intended us to infer. Rev 17:9-10 talks about ‘Heads=Mountains=Kings’

Rev 17:

9 “This calls for a mind that has wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; also, they are seven kings…

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So there you have it Adam. The seven mountains are seven kingdoms.

I think we can put this one to bed now Adam.

Do you want me to debunk your other conflicting argument that Revelation was a scam that was lifted from the Book of Daniel? Or have you given up on that now?

Again you are misquoting my post on Daniel. Please read my posts on Dan 2, 7…[Read more]

One theory among many.

It doesn’t tick many if any boxes.

Do you have any other theories you want to propose or quote?

Most see the seven successive empires of history in that part of the world.

It fits nicely and of course would not have been an option for many who lived before this history or part of it.

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Who are the seven kings mentioned in the book of Revelation?

Rev 17:9-10

9 “This calls for a mind that has wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; also, they are seven kings, 10 of whom five have fallen, one is living, and the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain only a little whi…

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Hi Proclaimer, it’s good idea to see that you are interpreting the texts. But I request you to restrict our debate to two books Daniel and Revelation.

It seems absurd to believe that it was lifted except for the kingdoms part.

Hi Proclaimer, I don’t know what is this (weight) lifting on Biblical texts. New Testament writers had lifted much from the Hebrew Bible to suit their agenda in this case the book of Revelation. This writer cleverly never quoted any writer of the Hebrew Bible but taken…[Read more]

The Four Beasts of Dan 7

Daniel recounts, ‘The first was like a lion and had eagles’ wings. Then as I looked its wings were plucked off, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand upon two feet like a man; and the mind of a man was given to it.’

The winged lion is familiar in Babylonian art. The eagle was a symbol of swiftness and t…[Read more]

The Image of Dan 2

The image has a head of gold, and Daniel interprets it as follows: ‘You, O king, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory, and into whose hand he has given, wherever they dwell, the sons of men, the beasts of the field, and the birds of the air, making you r…[Read more]

But you agree that your two points in question are contradictory?

Please take what you like brother but our beliefs are not facts.

Adam.

If you make two points and they contradict, then obviously I have to debunk two points knowing that one is clearly wrong on the outset. Whereas, if you put forth the point that really bugs you, I can focus on one point and either double my effort or it would only require half my time. In short, it is hard spending precious time on things we…

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If that is the case. Then are you going to drop the argument that kings don’t represent kingdoms?

What’s this repeated question of dropping? Please see I am not owning anything here I am just quoting from these texts of Daniel and Revelation. If you can’t see the differences please leave it here and concentrate on the subject.

Thanks for long chat…..

It doesn’t say anywhere that Daniel saw all the empires.

Many believe the empire he did see are:

Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.

You can disagree. But disagreement doesn’t change truth.

And I haven’t seen you explain why these empires are incorrect.

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Seems like more absurdity. None of the other empires or Kingdom are directly mentioned by name in either book. It is the descriptions that are important. Prophecy works like that. It is actually written like this so the wicked will not understand.

What then, in your contradictory view is the empire of iron legs that tramples and breaks the others…

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You say Revelation was lifted from the Book of Daniel. So if the head of gold in Daniel as a king is about the Babylonian kingdom with the other less glorious metals representing less glorious kingdoms, then why is Revelation not about kingdoms too.

Are you saying that it was lifted / copied, but changed so that while the king is representative…

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ADAM……That is not even close to what Jesus said would be the sign of his coming ,  it might be a somewhat accurate of what took place in the power struggles from The Grecian Empire to the Roman Empire , but it furnishes no accurate historical conclusions of what happened to the End of the Roman Empire, to now,  nor what is to take place in the f…

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Adam…..Out of The kingdom of Alexander the Great, came four, his kingdom was divided up and Given to his Four Generals,  and out of theses four Generals came the Roman Empire.  Which is the fourth World ruling kingdom mention in Daniel , and from this fourth kingdom came the fifth world ruling Kingdoms,  what is the present state of this worl…

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Further, you have said that Revelation was lifted out of Daniel. So this argument of yours goes against your other argument that Daniel is about kingdoms but Revelations is not. You need to sort this discrepancy out.

Which of your two arguments are you going to drop?

You can’t hold both views unless you are willing to live with contradiction a…

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Was John the Baptist Elijah?

To All…….Sea is the symbol for “humanity”  when it talks about these beasts rising up from the sea, it simply means kingdoms that rise up from humanity.

Where it says there will be no more sea, I believe that means no more humans being born any more. From that time onward.

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