Hello Asana…Sorry for the delay… but it took me awhile to compose this long reply.  Just because you don't see me for a bit, this doesn't mean I have quit.  I'm incredibly busy and can only do so much. Quote FrancisWell I don't… and neither do Christians… believe that The Father is “higher” or “supreme” over the other persons of the  …[Read more]

Hello Stu… pleased to meet you.Quote Are you each arguing about what you think reality is, or what Judeo-christian scripture says? I can't speak for Asana… but as for me, I'm arguing what I think Classical Christianity teaches about the nature of God.  As I have consistently stated in here…  I could be wrong about everything.  I could be wr…[Read more]

Hello Asana…Quote Francis, I wasn't saying that you blasphemed, I asked how can someone blaspheme only part of God without blaspheming him entirely?I'm glad we agree that I have not blasphemed God.   I also agree that there is no difference between blaspheming part of God and all of God.   But i'm not sure who you are referring to here so I c…[Read more]

Hello Asana…Quote Polytheism is the act of independent worship of more than One God so if you worship Jesus as God and worship Y—  as God that is polytheism.If Jesus and Yahweh and the Holy Spirit are all the same One God… then I'm only worshiping One God.Quote Now if you believe that Jesus died only in the flesh in what way did he take the…[Read more]

Hello Asana….Quote Francis,  On one hand you say that trying to understand the complexity of God is: “… raising yourself up as God… because only  God can understand God “You've done this to me before where you will take and use a portion of my sentence without quoting the entire sentence…  and then try to  say I said something when I nev…[Read more]

Hello Asana…Quote I thank you for being reasonable and approaching a dialogue from a God submitted viewpoint. I will refrain from calling you a “non-believer” though as you have called me although many who believe in my position might be tempted to do so.I have no problem being called a “non-believer” if by that term you mean that I am not a…[Read more]

Hello Ed J….Personally, I don't approach these discussions with the expectations that I have the ability to change anyone's mind.   As I understand it, it is the Holy Spirit's “job” to try and change hearts, not mine.   Part of my responsibility can be found in 1Peter 3:15.And so that is what I attempt to do.  As long as I can do that much, I pe…[Read more]

Hello Asana…Just a quick note to let you know that I will be responding to your brief post above as soon as possible. At the moment, I'm working on a different question of yours from another thread and it's requiring a lot of research, etc.RespectfullyFrancis

Hello Asana…I just wanted to let you know that I haven't forgotten you. At the moment I'm dealing with another question of yours from a different thread, and which I thought was excellent. It's requiring a lot of research and therefore it's a bit time consuming.I will respond to your above post as quickly as…[Read more]

Hello Marty and Asana…It appears that we 3 agree that Jesus never sinned.  Am I correct?And yet it also appears that you both do not believe that Jesus was both fully divine and fully human as mainstream Christianity teaches.  It appears that you both believe that Jesus was a man like the rest of us… and not God.My question is simple.  How is…[Read more]

Hello Ed…I have to confess that I'm not into any number system, but as I was reading this thread, I noticed something that was a bit confusing.On June 13 2010 at 19:18 of this thread, you wrote the following: Jesus=74 Messiah=74            “The Passover”=148                    Jesus=74 + cross=74 = (פסח=148) “The Passover”=148 So… it appear…[Read more]

Hello davidbfun…What “religion”, “Christian sect” etc, would you label yourself as?  If don't like labels, then which “religion”… and/or “Christian sect”… and/or “Christian denomination” etc… would you consider are closely aligned with what your believe?I've already noticed that you do not believe that Jesus was God… and you have a…[Read more]

Hello Asana…Quote FrancisWhether or not Christianity is true… at least Christians do present a positive logical defense for their beliefs which can be analyzed and  debated and looked at by both sides in an objective manner in a debate. AsanaHow is it possible to be objective in Christianity or any religion?I was talking about being objective…[Read more]

Sheesh… in another forum… I was able to amend and edit mistakes to a post I had written even after it was posted. I can't seem to be able to do that in here. Is there a way to edit a mistake made in a post after the post has already been submitted?I ask this because I noticed I made a mistake in this line… I wrote:Joseph Smith doesn't…[Read more]

is there anyway to delete a post in case two identical ones are posted like I've done?

oops… sorry for the two identical posts. I'm still trying to get a handle on how this forum works.

Hello Asana…The problem I'm having with what you just wrote above is that for me, you've done nothing but assert something. And like I've said before, anyone, even a 5 year old, can assert things. There are people all over the world who are hungry for the truth… and you can't just assert things and expect rational people to uncritically…[Read more]

Hello Asana…The problem I'm having with what you just wrote above is that for me, you've done nothing but assert something.  And like I've said before, anyone, even a 5 year old, can assert things.   There are people all over the world who are hungry for the truth… and you can't just assert things and expect rational people to uncritically a…[Read more]

Hello Asana…Quote In regard to your notion that the “gnostics” are automatically wrongFirst of all, I never used the word “automatically” in any post I've written to you… so I'm not sure how you can say I  have an “automatic” notion of some kind concerning Gnostics.   Secondly, I personally do not consider ANYONE to be  automatically wrong or…[Read more]

Hello Asana…I don't think Jesus asked to be saved in terms of his salvation.  He was already perfect and so He didn't need to be saved… in the sense of salvation.  None of us would need Jesus if we were all perfect to begin with.  We would all be going to heaven.But anyway I'm getting ahead of myself… I still don't understand how your ph…[Read more]