Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2008,17:08)Hi david, Do you judge this man more harshly for any particular reason?Nick…I think we know all know why he is saying the things he is saying…Its because I am JW who does not fit into the mold he would like to fit…If I had come on here and said I was Baptist or something else he would not even be…[Read more]

Hey david…Brother…get off the name…its not imprtant…Like I said you are right…if you believe in hellfire and I don't we both can't be right…I agree…what I am saying is that the absolute truth lies with God…and I don't think we can attain that right now… but I do think we can attain the ESSENTIAL truths necessary for…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2008,14:57)Hi ST, Within the realms of the will of God.Hey Nick….Can you explain a little further?

Quote (seekingtruth @ June 04 2008,14:54)If God did knew the future that does not force it to happen.WmHi seekCan you clarify what you mean here?

) Free will was indispensable if humans were to honor and serve God out of love, not as robots with every movement determined beforehand. Love displayed by intelligent, free creatures would enable God to refute unjust accusations. Proverbs 27:11. “Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice, that I may make a reply to him that is taunting me.”If…[Read more]

Gimme a sec..lemme get my thoughts together

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 02 2008,17:20)I have 2 questions for you tho:Should we think the Creator of the universe incapable of producing the male gamete cell necessary for the procreation of Jesus?  Why do Christians spiritualize this event beyond reason when mere mortal humans have demonstrated skill and success with artificial…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 02 2008,17:21)Simply put….During Mary’s ovulation one of her ovary released a mature egg that passed through her Fallopian tube on its way to the uterus; at the instant this happened, God created a sperm cell perfectly compatible and able to unite with the egg; fertilization occurred and the infant Jesus was…[Read more]

oh..yeah…remember what the bible says about people who, “try god with evil”

To say god planned “this” all along would mean that we are Predestined, We have no free will, God is ultimately responsible for all the death and dying we see, and the devil was right all along…Sorry brother Gene…I can't believe that….”God is Love”..remember…these things can not be true…and the preceding scripture be true..What kind of…[Read more]

Hey Gene…I can clearly see the spirit working in you both…I just thank God for the thoughts…(although I don't agree with everyones)…that you all express here…it personally helps me by letting me see alternative points of reason…which in turn causes me to sometimes test and retest my understandings…most of the time i see no reason for…[Read more]

hmmmnn…praying..and thinking…praying..and thinking….let me organize my thoughts…Thank you…to everyone who contributed to this thread so far…i'll be back with my thoughts later today

Clear…as mud

I'm sorry but it seems you guys ar going around in circles…Gene and gollamundi…say that “baptism” in the spirit saves…but water baptism is ok long as the person being baptized recognizes that its the baptism of the spirit that saves (correct if i'm wrong)Nick says water baptism is necessary while still saying that the baptism of the spirit…[Read more]

Hey 3in1…You are right he was concieved….Jehovah=father Mary=motherI guess since you don't believe in Jesus pre existence then you can't grasp fully my train of thoughtAnd conversely, since i do believe in Christ pre existence I can't fuly grasp your line of reasoning..As you said to me in anothr thread…its funny we both are reading the…[Read more]

Hmmn…Ok..so bear with me…I'm like a turtle when it comes to the knowledge race ;)Now, what I don't understand is…BOTH sides claim they are right and GOD is backing them…So is it fair to say that who ever wins is who God was with?If thats the case…then who was God with in the cases where the “bully” wins the war…ie..Iraq and Kuwait?

Hey seekingtruth…I agree…I have never claimed to have absolute truth…but I do believe I have the “truth” necessary for salvation…Hey Isa 1:18Brother…although we disagree on this topic…I feel…based on the things that I have heard you say…that you also have whats needed for salvation….and hopefully thru Gods graces and underserved…[Read more]

Isaiah…talks about learning war no more and and “turning swords into shears”….do these scriptures show that war is not OK?Are the wars of today backed by God?If war is OK, then Whos side is God on in a war?These are some of the questions that I am pondering?

Good points everyone…so i'm still trying to figure out at what point “you've gone to far”…aka what type of political involvement is obviously not OK for a christian…

Still not a good example….i'm talking things that are found in scripture