Quote (Artizan007 @ June 05 2008,01:53)“The first prophecy in the bible found at Genesis 3:15 Pre-date any of the Pagan stories you quote”… Maybe of the ones I quoted, but you are mistaken if you think that this story was written down first – the first stories of expected “Messiah” figures, and of Dying and Rising God's can be found in Egyptian…[Read more]

Quote (Artizan007 @ June 05 2008,02:15)Can you please quote from the Old Testament that Jesus was to be the propitiatory/ransom for the sin of the “world”?Sure Art..Genesis 3:15- 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his…[Read more]

But the question is…Are these God's wars..as they were in the OT..or a they Man's? Nowhere in the bible do we find A war initiated by Man that God supported…We do find instances however of men initiating war and being condemned for it by God…Is the IRAQ war GOD's War?Was vietnam GOD's War?Was Korea GOD's War?Was the war between the Tutsi and…[Read more]

Hey GM..my brother..John 3:16If you notice no other son of God is said to be “begotten”…the reason for this is because they were created by God THRU jesus…therefore they are not able to be properly called “begotten sons”etymology: beget-beget O.E. begietan “to get by effort, find, acquire, attain, seize,” from be- + get (q.v.). Sense of “to…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 05 2008,03:08)Where is the free will again when you are influenced, see God is not influenced like we do that is what the definition of free will. Yes I can give you verses see theseEph 2:8-10, Jn 6:44-45, Rom 7:15-25AdamGM..I alluded to those same verses…Like I said…don't take 3 scriptures out of context with the rest…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 05 2008,01:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 04 2008,17:03)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 04 2008,16:57)Nick…………a Person is what he speaks,for that which comes out of the mouth defiles the man. Whats coming out of Him (WORD) His word is what He is, And all words are thoughts and a plan is a preconceived thought.…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 04 2008,16:24)He is the potter and we are the clay wheres free will in that.and you also quote the scripture about a carnal…The problem with the scriptures you are quoting is you take them out of context with the rest of the scriptures…Take the “carnal mind” scripture…that scripture DOES NOT show a lack of free…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 05 2008,01:55)Remember its a difference between somethign “influencing” your choices..i.e. socioeconomic conditions…and something making those choices for you…you can be influenced to do something and still NOT DO IT…Influences dont make choices..people do…Gene..GM..Comments please on this statement

GM….Again…comment on the scriptures…I notice you respond with more personal opinions than responding to the scriptures…at least GIVE ME a scripture or to to consider and ponder… Perhaps you ignore because you have no scripture to respond with? Maybe its time to do some REAL dividing of the word…I can help if you like…if not ask GOD…[Read more]

GM….I never said I I was saved without Gods influence..look again..God called me…and I RESPONDED…I did not have to but..I DID…Free will gave the choice…

GM…Comment on the scriptures please

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 04 2008,17:03)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 04 2008,16:57)Nick…………a Person is what he speaks,for that which comes out of the mouth defiles the man. Whats coming out of Him (WORD) His word is what He is, And all words are thoughts and a plan is a preconceived thought. in fact you even think in words.Tell me…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 05 2008,01:26)Hi DK,You have given the right examples of those who used their free wills than that of God's, that's why they failed.If we also believe that we can use our free wills than God's then there it is utter confusion and failure. This is the reason behind Jesus' saying of “not my will but my father's”. I am saved…[Read more]

Artizan…you misinterpret…Jesus being begotten means….THAT HE WAS THE ONLY SON OF GOD CREATED DIRECTLY BY GOD's HANDS…Yes god had other sons..but not begotten sons…All of Abrahams sons were begotten by him…THERE IS THE DIFFERENCEThe word is divine…here maybe this will help..etymology:Divine- divine (adj.) c.1305 (implied in divinity),…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 05 2008,01:16)14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.Specifically..this part

Quote (Artizan007 @ June 05 2008,00:50)I always wonder why the first Gospel has no mention of this virgin birth. Why does James, Jude, Peter or Paul never mention a virgin birth… he speaks of his birth, but not in any miraculous sense. Although Paul does use the word “chaste virgin” in connection to the Church, he never mentions Mary as being a…[Read more]

Gm…and Gene…Explain the above post

GM…..Here is the bible brother…believe that on only thatAccording to predestinarian teaching, if Christ has redeemed them, released them, purchased them, become their owner, they could never fall away. But the Bible says they can, and some do: “These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 05 2008,00:52)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 04 2008,18:37)seeking truth……….all your choices are a result of what has been already installed in your mind. The definition of Free Choice is to choose something without (ANY) influence derived from past association of (any) kind.  Because if your were influenced by…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 04 2008,14:44)) Free will was indispensable if humans were to honor and serve God out of love, not as robots with every movement determined beforehand. Love displayed by intelligent, free creatures would enable God to refute unjust accusations. Proverbs 27:11.  “Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice, that I may…[Read more]