Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 21 2008,07:42)DK……if you check it out you will find the Word expressed in Genesis for good and evil, is functional and dysfunctional , And God saw that it was Functional is the more truer word according Benners book on the mechanical translation of genesis. Any way in my opinion God is building value in us through…[Read more]

Evil is not a “thing” – like a rock or electricity. You can't have a jar of evil! Rather, evil is something that occurs, like running. Evil has no existence of its own – it is really a lack in a good thing. For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole – but it cannot be separated from the…[Read more]

I understand what you are saying…but the fact of the matter is..the bible says God does not try us with evil…and that evil can not come from him because he is pure and ultimately is love…and HE NEVER took or takes responsibility for the type of evil that originated with the Devil…because he is pure and is not capable of itThis is what…[Read more]

asexaul…with god all things are possible…now if you referring to his earthly birth…if thats the way he chose to do it then yes…If you are referring to him being “brought into existence” of course…with god all things are possible…But I believe he Beget Christ thru the power of his spirit…and everything else was “brought into…[Read more]

I think he was Begotten..when I say that I am saying that he is the only son of god created directly by his hands…I dislike the word “created”..i choose to use the phrase “brought into existence”..I think that is more appropriate

I think thats the best thing to do on this subject…

GM and Gene…even though we disagree on some things..I want you to know I always enjoy the conversations we have I consider it healthy christian fellowship

The bible only talks about 2 types of bodys GM…Heavenly and earthly…Jesus, GOD, Satan, Demons, Angels..all have a heavenly sort

Quote (Lightenup @ June 21 2008,01:37)Hi DK,Doesn't JW's and Arianism teach that the Firstborn of all creation was created?  I believe He was begotten, so that doesn't line up with Arianism. Don't JW's teach not to celebrate birthdays, have blood transfusions, participate in war, or even vote?  I maybe wrong but I think that JW's believe that o…[Read more]

Gene, Gm, ChosenTo say that God foreordained Jesus from the founding of the world..like you suggest…is to say God pre planned what we see today..Good and Bad…that would make him a sharer in the badness..But we can not “Try God with evil” according to the bible..So simply put…I can not agree with your theology..because is god Love and evil…[Read more]

Again just be cause set the rules ( which he has the right to) does not mean he brought it into existence…translated: Just because GOD said, “This is what evil is”…does not mean he CREATED evil …Moral evil originated with the Devil…John 8:44 (niv)- 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He…[Read more]

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE…between MORAL EVIL…and CALAMATOUS EVIL…in the bible…grab your concordance and interlinear and see… MORAL EVIL GOD DOES NOT TRY PEOPLE with…but he does cause calamity to fall on people in his just way…GOd said, “You can not try me with evil and neither will I try you with evil “

isaiah 45:5-7…lemme explain this scripture to you'Evil,' as used here, refers to evil of a physical nature (storms), not moral evil.Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters, and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures.…[Read more]

even tho I have issues with both

Arian theology is closer to the truth than trinatarianism..IMO

“for with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire.”

Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,14:20)Then why are you shouting loud that God never created evil or bad?Without knowing evil or bad you can not understand the importance of good my friend. Without knowing sin where is the question of meaning righteousness? without knowing failure where is the question of knowing success? without knowing…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,14:15)Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,14:12)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,13:54)Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,13:11)Hi Mandy, Jesus sacrificed many things he gave up himself for us sinners and willingly gave his life for the death on the cross as curse for you and me, He obeyed his Father God by laying aside his own…[Read more]

In order to convey the correct thought in English, the very comprehensive Hebrew word ra‛ is variously translated as “bad,” “gloomy,” “ugly,” “evil,” “calamitous,” “malignant,” “ungenerous,” and “envious,” depending upon the context. (Ge 2:9; 40:7; 41:3; Ex 33:4; De 6:22; 28:35; Pr 23:6; 28:22) The Greek word ka‧kos′ may be defined as that which…[Read more]

still a good rebuttal tho