Gene: “show me in the Gen 1-2 where there list any dates or times, only it says in the Beginning. Do you or anyone hare know when that was? IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, INFACT EVERY THEN IN SPACE HAD A BEGINNING. LIKE THE BIG BAN THEORY EXPLAINS maybe.”

You just answered your own question, in the beginning. The…[Read more]

t8, I believe you’ve got. The well experiment hinges on a sun that is millions of miles away. If it were close the shadows would not men a spherical earth. Also, keep in mind that adding a third well would not make any difference with a near sun.

But that begs the question if there is any evidence of a near sun!

I would have to say that there…[Read more]

Lightenup: “I get that. I have a problem with Mike calling Sagan a liar. Neil doesn’t call him a liar. Sagan was actually on to the truth and could have used a third well to satisfy the theory. Neil goes on to satisfy the theory of a spherical earth anyway through the rest of the video.”

Actually Mike didn’t call anyone a liar, he said t…[Read more]

Ed, I don’t see how something said to be made on day 4 could be made on day 1. That would be a clear contradiction.

I believe we must let Scripture speak for itself. If it says the sun was made on day 4 then that must mean what it says.

Usually this type of timeline is used to accommodate long ages to fit in evolution, whether biological or…[Read more]

Job 37:9-10 Out of the south comes the storm, And out of the north the cold. 10 “From the breath of God ice is made, And the expanse of the waters is frozen.

I’m not sure that Genesis would contain any description of the artic zones. It seems clear that at one time they were tropical too. Probably after the flood of Noah’s day the ice began…[Read more]

Nick: “The earth was formless and void. But you ascribe a form to it?”

It changed.

9 Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good.

You didn’t think…[Read more]

Gene: “I think you may have gotten it wrong, in the beginning God created the “heavens ” and the “earth”. He created them both in the “beginning,” what makes you think it was the “first day” that was done in. The sun was probably allready created as well as the moon, and stars (in the beginning). God simply placed them in their positions and o…[Read more]

Sounds good t8.

Here’s something interesting. If you make two columns the creation days make sense.

1) light                             4) sun,moon,stars

2) firmament waters    5) birds, sea stuff

3) land                            6) animals, man

Nick: “No I do not think the scientists get everything right either. Neither you nor them can claim infallibility. So tell us again why you think your science is guaranteed by God.”

Only the the parts that are clearly spoken in the Word are “guaranteed”. Like the earth before the sun, a world wide flood, the creation of man – not evolution, a…[Read more]

t8: “Where does it say that. Of course that is possible, but want to know what you are referencing, even though I already have a good idea.”

Youre yankin’ my chain, right?

Gen 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God…[Read more]

Nick: “Now you claim the stamp of God’s approval on your fanciful ideas? God cannot be wrong but the interpretations of men can be wacky.”

Were they my ideas or were they God’s Word? Did God say that He made the earth before the sun? Did He say that the flood of Noah’s day was world wide? Did He say that man was created and thus did not ev…[Read more]

t8: “Now imagine a virtual world where AI exists. To them, their virtual world is real, but to the creator it is a virtual construct. If I being the creator of that virtual world talked about that world to the created AI, that in no way negates that the virtual world is actually way more complex than their limited experience of it. The creator…[Read more]

But t8, mathematics says that a sphere with a circumference of our earth would curve at 8″ per mile squared. However, that is not what is observed. It is testable and repeatable. Unless math can take on the esoteric properties that you’ve been talking about then it seems pretty cut and dry. This is true even when you take into account all the…[Read more]

t8, it sounds a little bit like, “if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it does it make a sound?”. Whenever I hear this kind of mumbo-jumbo I always ask them “what is the sound of one hand clapping”? Then I illustrate it by smacking them across the cheek!  ;  )

I’ve always wondered how they know what anything does when it is n…[Read more]

Nick: “The theory of evolution is contrary to the teaching of scripture. Unbelievers had to deny the reality of God so gratefully followed Darwin. The fact that they got it wrong, however, does not justify the flat earth nonsense. Just another variation on the love of deception by men.”

The teaching of the evolution of the universe is al…[Read more]

But Gene, it is the same scientists that are telling you that what the Bible says about the earth and our universe is not true.

I’m glad that you do not subscribe to evolution but evolution does include the earth and universe and that is what is being taught now.

You do realize that the majority of scientists believes in evolution. So it is Ok…[Read more]

Gene, Nick, have y’all thought about my question about evolution? Neither of you have denied evolution (molecules to man) so I need to ask once again.

Do y’all believe, take on faith, what the scientists tell us about the origin of mankind?

This is directly related to this topic. If we have to take on faith what the scientists say then we can…[Read more]

Hi Lightenup, I did see the post. I even went back to test it with Scripture. Unfourtunatly it didn’t hold up as far as I can tell although I’m sure there is a spiritual aspect to it. Sorry I didn’t get back to it sooner.

Job 9:5-7 “It is God who removes the mountains, they know not how, When He overturns them in His anger; 6 Who shakes the…[Read more]

Mike, that was a pretty cool video! Perspective is a testable and repeatable part of physics. You can’t just deny it to support a curved surface. I don’t believe that the stars are as far away as we are told either. That could be one reason why we can’t see all of them.

Thomas Paine, in his so-called “ Age of Reason” says :— “ The two beliefs…[Read more]

t8, I meant to mention that the video with the waterfalls was fantastic! What a magical place!