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[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

YOU made the claim the Jesus is G-d and I asked for scriptural support. To tell me to find it out myself is deflection, I want to know why you believe the Jesus is G-d and to support it…that conversation thing. The Jesus never claimed to be G-d; yet, you posted the writings of another claiming he is. If the Jesus never said he was G-d how can you push the writings of someone who falsely claims the Jesus is G-d? That sounds a little anti-christ…hmmm.

You said in an earlier post people need to “study their bible”; may want to take your own advice and start verifying what you have been told is truth.

You still haven’t told me what I lied about…

[DesireTruth]

@berean,

What’s wrong, can’t find the passages to support your belief? If this has been proven “long ago”, then it should be simple to confirm and give the passages that support this “Jesus is god” belief.

Begin…

You still haven’t told me what I’ve lied about, why?!?

[DesireTruth]

@berean,

I’m a liar??? What have I lied about? Instead of throwing around libelous statements, back up why you claim I’m a liar. The lack of a rebuttal of me saying the Jesus isn’t G-d further solidifies you can’t defend what you believe.

If the Jesus is G-d produce the passages stating the Jesus is G-d in the flesh. If you are unable to scripturally support your claim of the Jesus god, you are following the false teachings of man.

[DesireTruth]

@berean,

I can only surmise what you wrote was intended for me with the bold and increased font size; there is nothing prideful nor haughty in what I write.

Answer the questions! When will you or anyone verify what they are told is truth? The Jesus can’t be G-d because he said he wasn’t; yet, you post someone else’s words and believe them without verification. Stop smashing the “I Believe Button” and start using the brain G-d gave you and test the words you so emphatically believe (doesn’t Paul say that?). When you do, the only option is to turn to Hashem, and only HIM.

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

So the Jesus is G-d?!?!? G-d is G-d and there is NO other. Even you said G-d “needed” the Jesus for the forgiveness of sin because HE is to small and unable to forgive; meaning there MUST be a separation of the two. The Jesus even states he is the “son of G-d”, another separation. Further, the Jesus says he doesn’t know the day or hour of his own return, only the Father knows; two separate beings. As the Jesus is dying on the cross he yells out, “Father, why have you forsaken me?” Can the Jesus forsake himself?

Let’s not forget Deut 6:4 The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! I didn’t read three in one did you?

This isn’t that hard…stop believing everything you’re told is truth, VERIFY IT!!!

[DesireTruth]

@Proclaimer,

When we left off you offered three suggestions to “the end of the age” and what you “believe” could be a possibility. From the sounds of it you aren’t sure of what the “end of the age” is.

In the parable of the wheat and tares the Jesus explicitly states the harvest is at the “end of the age” and the weeds are gathered and burned in the fire, which you equate to being the “white throne judgment.” Does he judging the people of the earth immediately after the “tribulation” or not before mankind enters into the “millennial age”? Why would those “left behind”, who survive the “tribulation”, and now live during a time of total peace and communion with G-d/the Jesus in this “millennial age” suddenly walk away and turn their backs on G-d and embrace sin? Is the “scripture” gone during this age? Does no one have access to the NT anymore to know what the end result will be? Why would these people suddenly turn away from G-d after being in HIS presence for so long? Something isn’t adding up.

Can you explain how the battle accounts given in Revelation 20 and Ezk 38-39 align? The battle of Ezekiel are the nations coming against the peaceful nation of Israel where in Revelation the battle is against the “saints and beloved city.” In Revelation it is Gog and Magog that come against them and in Ezekiel it’s Gog (a ruler) of the land of Magog.

One more thought, if the Jesus is king during the millennial reign and people are deceived at the end when Satan is released; what does that say about his ruler ship if the number of people that come against the “saints and beloved city” are numbered as the “sand of the seashore”?

What is becoming clear are the inconsistencies of events recorded in the NT concerning the “end.” They’re chaotic and lack any cohesion. Every christian religion has their own interpretation of what the end will be and how it will unfold. And who is the “father of chaos” as taught by the christian world?

[DesireTruth]

The only one who can “blacklist” you is the owner of the website…there isn’t an option for a “participant” to block anyone from posting. If blocking was available, it would have been done to me over a year ago.

Try deleting everything in the posting and repost; refresh the page; last resort, clear your internet cache.

[DesireTruth]

@Proclaimer,

I don’t see the problem you are talking about.

So you didn’t verify anything…gotcha! Keep smashing that “I Believe Button”!

The tares and the wheat and the dividing of them is a process.

EXCEPT what does Matt 13:39 say…“The harvest is the end of the age.” The “end of the age” isn’t a millennia long period; it punctual, like a thief in the night. Meaning it happens in one moment. When is this “end of the age”?

A day to God is like a thousand years.

What does this mean to you? Christianity has this weird understanding of meaning everything in G-d’s timing. When it simply states G-d isn’t bound by time…HE created it. Can a creator be subject to the created?

I think you are looking for things that I never said or implied.

I’m looking for you to support what you believe thru the process of conversation by answering questions. Begin supporting what you believe! You apparently didn’t read Isa 65:17-25; if you had, you would realize G-d was speaking to the Jewish people and has NOTHING to do with “christians”, let alone a future time when the “new heaven and earth” is created for this true believer of the Jesus as Revelation claims. If you would have looked up the passages listed that make up the Revelation 21:1-4, you would have seen every reference was taken out of context and the Revelation passage was cobbled together. When will anyone start verifying what they have been told is truth? When will the christian begin studying their own scripture? When it says “as it is written”, look it up; verify what is being said and see if it aligns with the original text. I don’t understand why people fear the verification process…is it fear of what will be found?

[DesireTruth]

@Proclaimer,

You’re arguing that if Jesus’ return truly eradicates all sin and lawlessness, the notion of a later rebellion (e.g., post-millennial reign) contradicts this promise. You suggest that such an idea implies Jesus’ kingdom is imperfect or that his followers could fall into sin again.

What I’m pointing out are the words of the Jesus and how what christians believe today doesn’t align with what he said. You brought up the Matt 13 passage and said it corresponded to the “millennial reign.” I’m asking you to justify the point; to prove your presumption with scripture so we are on a level playing field. Don’t say what you know, say HOW you know it; back up your belief with scripture.

There is a process. When promises are made, they are often not fulfilled the next day in one swoop. It can take thousands of years as a thousand years is like a day to God. Just because something is partway through the process, doesn’t discard it from not ever being fulfilled.

You continue on saying with G-d there’s a “process” and it may take years to fulfill; please give me an example and NOT a blanket statement. As I read the Tanakh I agree there is a “process” of sorts and it begins with G-d’s warnings, followed by a punishment. However, there’s a thread throughout that speaks of an age of peace for ALL G-d’s creation (not some chosen few) and this obviously hasn’t been fulfilled. This age of peace doesn’t happen until the true Messiah comes (none have explained how the Jesus is the messiah when he isn’t a biological descendant of David – the spirit came upon Mary -never been with a man- and she conceived).

Fulfillment of the overcoming of sin and death is certainly evident in the new earth where there is no death.

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away…There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” (Rev 21:1-4)

It’s hard to no for sure, but the Bible seems to imply that there will be death during the Millennial Reign.

“No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.” (Isa 65:20)

On the surface is seems we have contradictory statements where in Revelation it states there will be NO deaths and in Isaiah there is death. Whom are we to believe a prophet of G-d or a disciple of the Jesus? Unfortunately, neither of these passages are related when read in the context they are written. The Isaiah 65:20 passage must be read in context, begin reading verse 17 thru 25 to understand. After reading this passage and you still believe they are related, explain how they are.

Onto the Rev 21:1-4 passage, upon further study we end up with a spliced together, copy and pasted mess of multiple verses taken out of there original context to create the Revelation passage…this is truth!??!

The following verses from the Tanakh are what have been used to support/create the Revelation passage:

Isa 65:17

Isa 66:22

Isa 34:4

Isa 52:1

Isa 61:10

Lev 26:11-12

Eze 37:27

Isa 25:8

Isa 35:10

Isa 51:11

Isa 65:19

If you dared to study and look up each of the passages, what did you find? Was the writer of Revelation using these references in their original context or is there a level of deceit? Remember, the positive of Revelation is for those who believe in the Jesus and the negative is for those who don’t.

[DesireTruth]

@Proclaimer,

There are tares and wheat. The tares are the children of the evil one and the wheat are the children of God. During the Millenial Reign, the evil one is restrained, so I guess that demonic temptation is not forthcoming, only one’s own flesh.

At the end, the evil one is released to harvest the tares that may not be obvious during the restraint of the evil one. This final purge leads to the children of God shining in the kingdom of light for all eternity where there is no darkness, wickedness, sin, and death.

So we are speaking of Matt 13:24-30; did you continue reading on for the Jesus’ explanation in verses 36-43? Quick recap, the sower is him, the Jesus; the field is the world; the seeds are the “sons of the kingdom”; the tares are the “sons of the devil”; the harvest is at the “end of the age” (what “age”, when the Jesus returns to defeat the devil – tribulation, at the end of the “millennial reign”, or at the final judgement? Pick one, the explanation seems a little vague and leaves it up to the interpreter to determine.); the reapers are the angels; at the “end of the age”, the angels will separate those cast into the fire from those who will enter the Jesus’ kingdom (where’s G-d in this? Thought the Jesus was proclaim the “coming of the kingdom of G-d” not his kingdom); at this “gathering” ALL stumbling blocks and those who commit lawlessness will be cast into the fire. From the words of the Jesus I read about a judgment when he returns and nothing of an after “millennial reign judgment” or a “white throne” judgment.

Since ALL stumbling blocks and those who commit lawlessness are gone after the Jesus returns, who will sin after this supposed “millennial reign”, all “sin” will be gone. Who after being in G-d’s presence for 1000 years will suddenly turn their back on HIM? To say one’s own flesh will cause one to fall back into sin after a 1000 years would mean sin was still present and the Jesus lied; those who are gathered into his kingdom won’t be shining as the sun after all as they can once again be “tempted” and revert back into sin. You also need to explain Gen 4:7 “If you do well, won’t it be lifted up? If you don’t do well, sin crouches at the door. Its desire is for you, but you are to rule over it.” G-d says we have are to rule over sin; not that is rules us.

In nothing you wrote did you support any of your belief with scripture. Don’t say what you know, say HOW you know it; back up your belief with scripture.

[DesireTruth]

Gene, a typical response of someone who hasn’t a clue why they believe what they believe…the response of avoidance and then accusing me of the very acts you commit (will you ever directly answer my questions??).

You accuse me of having my “own religion”, yet I have told you the path I would most closely identify is the oldest faith on the planet…Noahide (still learning, but know it’s G-d centered unlike Paul centric christianity). You on the other hand refuse to say what faith you most closely identify (because you do identify with something, quit lying to yourself); what are you afraid of, someone looking into it? To say you don’t identify with a particular faith, would by your accusations mean you’ve created your own religion. Look into Noahide, the faith of Noah, Job, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, et al before G-d spoke to the nation of Israel at Mt. Sinai.

you reject the very scriptures we present to you every time we present them

I can’t reject something you haven’t presented first. Rarely do you reference scripture and when you do, I ask follow up questions that YOU refuse to answer; explain further what you believe. What you’re doing is parroting what you have been told is truth.

You will notice the only thing you addressed from my last post is really a none issue, it was a simple statement to support what you believe with scripture and didn’t need a defensive response. Why did you ignore the rest of it?

Still waiting for a response to respecting the elderly; it’s one of the commands given by G-d thru Moses. This is a positive command and would say it’s a sin to not follow this one, verses when Paul says the “law” was to point out sin. What say you, is respecting the elderly a sin or not using Paul’s “teachings”?

Once again I have proved to you with your NT scripture Paul is a fraud and you don’t have any idea what to do as he speaks against what the Jesus taught and is against G-d. Paul is an impostor…prove me wrong!

 

PS.

I didn’t expect you to look up, confirm, and give your thoughts on the Galatians passage. What are you afraid of, change? There is freedom in G-d you will never know, until you do.

[DesireTruth]

@Gene,

DT you said, “Can you explain how your faith/belief system is the right one and has ALL the correct understandings of Paul? What makes your faith so special?”

The difference between my Faith and yours is, I understand what Jesus and the apostle Paul said and meant,

To single me out was not what was asked as I prefaced the question with few religions agree with each other on Paul’s writings. For me, I completely reject what he writes as he’s an impostor. Again, how is your belief the better or correct one for understanding the writings of Paul when compared to other religions? After all, you argue with Proclaimer, Carmel, Berean, and others who have come and gone, claiming what you believe is more right than what they believe is truth.

Support what you believe; don’t say what you know, say how you know it by backing up your belief with scripture. I gave you four passages where Paul speaks against G-d’s commands and included a command to honor the elderly and your response was silence. I provided the passage where Paul flat out contradicts what the Jesus taught concerning the “law” and you give no response. You even admit, thru Peter, Paul teaches in a difficult manner; if G-d was speaking thru Paul it wouldn’t be difficult to understand as G-d speaks in a clear, easily understandable manner that eliminates all confusion.

 

I can safely say you still haven’t verified any passages Paul “quotes” from the Tanakh since you continue to defend him. In the following Paul take two quotes from the Tanakh and incorporates them into his statement:

Gal 3:6 Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

it was reckoned to him as righteousness      is quoted from Gen 15:6

All the nations will be blessed in you           is quoted from Gen 12:3

Look up these passages in the Tanakh and explain how or if Paul is using them in their original context. I wait with baited breath…

[DesireTruth]

@Gene,

Jesus said……that “ALL”LAW, and the prophets were hinged on these “TWO THINGS”, “love” for God, and “love”for man . SO, Paul was right it seems when he said, “LOVE” FULFILLS “ALL”. the law. That totally agrees with Jesus the Messiah of God.

Except Paul didn’t say that; what he said (from Gal 5:14) “For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” No where did Paul say “LOVE” FULFILLS “ALL”, you made that up! Paul explicitly states there is ONE command and it’s to love your neighbor as yourself, with zero mention of G-d and the Jesus said there are two; the first being to LOVE G-D. At the beginning of the chapter Paul says the “law” entangles and is a burden; what a word salad of double speak. No wonder people are confused by his writings.

Lev 19:32 “You shall stand up before the gray head and honor the face of an old man” is a command given by G-d; do you reject this one? If not, why not; according to Paul you must. He teaches the “law” brings knowledge of sin(Rom 3:20), the law is a curse(Gal 3:13), the law entangles and is a yoke/burden(Gal 5:1), and we are no longer under the it(Romans 6:14). This command isn’t one of the “10 Commandments”, now what?

What’s hilarious is how christianity rejects the commands given to Moses and claims they aren’t under them anymore, BUT, if christians would read them they would be stunned at how many they actually follow and/or agree with. Christians have been taught for so long G-d’s commands are obsolete, they don’t realize G-d’s commands are built into them and is why they know the difference between good and evil (remember the tree Adam and Eve ate from). By the way, G-d’s commands aren’t limited to “ten” (with only nine christians follow – that sabbath day thing).

Paul is an enemy and false teacher of G-d. You even say “just like Peter said, some of his writings were hard to understand”, which means Paul intentionally spoke in a confusing manner and therefore CANNOT be a messenger of G-d’s. G-d spoke clearly so all would understand; Paul speaks with confusion and is why there are many different interpretations of what he says. Paul’s teaching are a reason why few religions agree with each other. Can you explain how your faith/belief system is the right one and has ALL the correct understandings of Paul? What makes your faith so special?

[DesireTruth]

Come on Gene, support what you believe is truth!

Explain how Paul teaches what the Jesus taught, I gave you an example of the commands given by G-d; the Jesus says they are summed up in two commands and Paul says one. This is no “bait and switch”; it’s written fact. If there is a single teaching of Jesus that Paul twists, can he be a true apostle of Jesus? Could Paul have been commission by the Jesus to be his representative to the gentiles?

Now explain this written twist! Take a stand for what you believe in!

While you’re at it, is respecting the elderly a sin or not? After all, it’s a command given by G-d thru Moses and is part of the Mosaic Law that Paul says we’re no longer under. Shall I start throwing disrespect your way as you do to me?

[DesireTruth]

@Gene,

Jesus said the “greatest commandment was to “LOVE” THE LORD, OUR GOD WITH ” ALL” OF OUR MIND, “ALL” OF OUR STRENGTH, “ALL” OF OUR SOUL

And Paul says, “For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Gal 5:14). Interestingly Paul left G-d out of the picture. This is flat out against what the Jesus taught as Paul says “the whole law.” You still believe the Jesus “appointed” Paul an apostle when he doesn’t teach what the Jesus taught?

In none of your responses since I left christianity have you proved me wrong. You have yet to provide a single passage that corrects my supposed “wrong” thinking. When you “provide” a passage to refute me, you are unable to respond to follow up questions for clarity…you run away. You make drive by comments and get nasty in your responses (“idiot”- really!!, not the first time with me or others). Are you that insecure in what you believe you can’t handle an apposing view? Then you have the audacity to continue to end your hate with “peace and love”; there is nothing peaceful or loving in your rhetoric. There is NOTHING “christlike” in your words, when you lower yourself to childish antics. When people get defensive like this, it shows how small they are. You’re not tiny are you?

I keep saying to verify what Paul quotes from the Tanakh and my guess, fear prevents you from doing so; being lost without the false teachings of Paul seems to scares you. Run from Paul and into the arms of G-d; HE’S waiting.

Paul and the other despises did that also, they also gave up their lives in service to GOD the Father and Jesus the Christ of GOD.

Please provide the passages and accounts that state which disciple/apostles were martyred or are you relying on man’s traditions? There are a handful of disciples recorded in Acts who were martyred and Paul wasn’t included in any account; it’s “tradition” that tells us Paul was beheaded, no Biblical record.

“while professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”

Before you imply me to be a “fool”, back up with the Tanakh what I’ve been writing is wrong! I have shown you how the NT doesn’t align with the Tanakh, given you evidence, and you reject it…and I’m the “fool.”

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

@DT

YOU

If you follow Paul, showing honor to the elderly is a sin. Should I disrespect the older in our society and treat them like dirt? Do you still NOT get it?!?!

Me

Where did you read that Paul said that?

I have never read that from Paul.…

Please read the following words from Paul lips:

Rom 3:20 “Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”     So knowing to honor the elderly brings the knowledge of sin.

Romans 6:14 “For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.”      Not under the law, so honoring the elderly is no longer required.

Gal 3:13 “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree”      Since the Jesus took away the “curse of the law” we no longer have to follow it and if we honor our elderly the Jesus never took that curse away.

Gal 5:1 “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.”      What is this “yoke of bondage”; the law given to Moses. So honoring the elderly entangles us and puts us into bondage.

Paul teaches the “law” brings knowledge of sin, the law is a curse, the law entangles and is a yoke/burden, and we are no longer under the it; and the Jesus said, Therefore whoever abolishes one of the least of these commandments and teaches people to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever keeps them and teaches them, this person will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Paul teaches against the words of the Jesus. How are you NOT seeing this; and how can you still accept the words of Paul?!?!

Paul’s own words convict him as a fraud and an enemy of G-d. I would highly recommend looking up what the “law” actually is and what it says, because it’s NOT what you have been taught and told it is as the example shows of honoring the elderly. Once again click to read the 613 commands.

[DesireTruth]

You’re not explaining how the first sentence of deut 30:19 is an oath; please explain.

Again, please find me ONE example where Paul claims the words he speaks are directly from G-d!

You didn’t speak on how the church is “unified.”

You didn’t say how you or anyone “serves the G-d of Israel”; to serve G-d, one must do as HE commanded and as a christian you reject the commands of G-d because Paul told you to. The Jesus even stated all the “law” could be summed up to two commands…love G-d and love others. What did Paul say, “For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Gal 5:14) Interestingly Paul left G-d out of the picture, did the “spirit” have a sudden lapse in memory of who it was/is? If Paul is “spirit inspired”, why aren’t the churches unified in their understanding of his “writings” since it came from the “spirit”?

Did you click the link provided to the list of the 613 commands given by G-d to Moses? Paul says they point out sin and without the law he wouldn’t have know what sin was. The Leviticus passage I gave you about honoring the elderly sounds like what we all should be doing; yet the beloved Paul calls it a sin. Personally, I think it’s a sin to NOT honor and respect the elderly. Can you explain why Paul would call honor the elderly a sin?

I bet you still haven’t compared the passages Paul quotes from the Tanakh to what is actually written.

Also, no comment on the Jesus saying he wasn’t bringing peace to the world as the true Messiah will do.

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Keith, where did you come up with Moses “promising life”? He simply said life and prosperity comes from following the commands of G-d…period! There was no “promise” or “oath” made in his statement; what he spoke was fact, follow G-d and live a long and prosperous life. What does the “life” Moses speaks of mean to you? Explain how you understand the Deut 30:11-20 passage.

You claim “Jesus appointed Paul”; why, because Paul told you the Jesus did? The same man who has to say “I do not lie” four times in his letters. It make me skeptical when someone makes that statement, and Paul doesn’t disappoint with his deceptive tongue.

“God used Paul to write bible books( letters)” This is beyond laughable!!! Please find me ONE example where Paul claims the words he speaks are directly from G-d! Paul refers to what he speaks as “his gospel”, speaks of “mysteries” having only been revealed to him – no one else, just him…how do you trust him as the only witness to these “mysteries”?

1 true religion= a worldwide brotherhood, unified at all times in love, peace and unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth)-no division

More wishful thinking and dream filled thought! You obviously haven’t been here long enough to read the responses of those who disagree with a particular belief or paid any attention to what happens between different church faiths in general. There is NOTHING unified among any of them; those who believe in the trinity are at odds with those who don’t, you will receive zero agree talking about the “end times” and what’s going to happen, ask if angels have freewill or not, etc. Unity, I think not! Even the Jesus said “Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.” And it is working well!

They serve the God Israel served= YHVH(Jehovah) and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

Who serves the G-d of Israel and how does one serve HIM? I rejected the Jesus as the Messiah and one reason is the verse above where the Jesus admits he didn’t come to bring peace to the earth and the true Messiah will bring peace.

[DesireTruth]

Of course Deut 30:19 means what it says, but do you know what it says? To say it speaks of G-d making an oath is false; Moses is speaking to the Israelite nation. Then to say it references an eternal death/second death is taking out of context what Moses spoke.

Matt 6:33= Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)

When did G-d say to seek HIS kingdom and HIS righteousness to have the basic necessities of life (the stuff those gentiles seek after)? Please cite the passage from the Tanakh. I didn’t read in the Matthew passaget anything about “spirituality.” Are you adding to the “word of G-d”? G-d does say was to follow and obey HIS commands.

Why don’t most do this= Because the blind guides in the false religions that do not listen to Jesus teach to seek Jesus’ righteousness first.

This made me smile a little, as you claim others are following false religions; are you even paying attention to your own words and the religion you follow? Explain how your faith, belief, and religion is more superior to all the others. And how you are doing it differently than all those who are following those “blind guides.” What is your “guide” saying that others aren’t?

Have you started verifying the passages Paul quotes (butchers) from the Tanakh? You need to!

[DesireTruth]

Berean, I keep asking if you have actually read any of the 613 commands G-d gave to the nation of Israel. When will you look them up and read them? They aren’t what you have been told they are. You can keep saying “moral law”, but that phrase is nowhere in either the Tanakh or your NT. There is no such thing as a “moral law”, only G-d’s commands (what christianity says are “laws”). Paul claims they are to “point out sin.” Take Lev 19:32 “You shall stand up before the gray head and honor the face of an old man, and you shall fear your God: I am the Lord.” If you follow Paul, showing honor to the elderly is a sin. Should I disrespect the older in our society and treat them like dirt? Do you still NOT get it?!?!

Click HERE and read G-d’s commands and explain how or why they shouldn’t be followed anymore or how they are burdensome and a curse. Paul lies and hates G-d!!

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