@ Berean,

The Septuagint passage was all you gleaned from what I wrote?!!??!?!?? I did go look at your link and to be honest, I got about half way thru and gave up as it’s from a false doctrinal, trinitarian perspective. I thought you didn’t believe in the trinity; the faith you follow does.

Either you didn’t read all I wrote or you are ignoring…[Read more]

Isa 9:6 was quoted during one of our conversations (page 1204, #943359), not entirely sure what the point of the comment is or really the direction they were going; but they did say to “concentrate” on Isa 9:6, so I did. The following is the verse in a few translations:

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government sha…[Read more]

@ Berean,

You tell me what scripture says about “coming from heaven”! Don’t you dare throw this back in my court as I am asking YOU to explain what YOU believe it means! You are revealing something, you are simply parroting what you are told to believe and you have no idea why you believe what you believe.

YOU:

He was in the HEAVEN WITH THE F…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

Can’t say that I deflect and veer off course onto another topic as what happened with the “my Father, your Father”, “my God, your God” discussion when it moved to “going to”/ascending to” after I posted scripture confirming the father and God of Jesus is the same father and God to us.

Now for two of you to use my line to poke at me…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Do you see how you aren’t explaining what “come down from heaven” means? To simply quote another verse that has “come down” doesn’t give meaning, it shows you found another verse that says the same thing (John 6 is your jackpot 🙂 ). Explain what it means to “come down from heaven” to be “from heaven.”

Is to “come down” to pass through…[Read more]

You have yet to answer what it means to “come down”, is Jesus “coming down” the same as manna “coming down” from heaven?

You said Christ was equal with God, I asked for scripture to support it; have not received any.

You said God “required” a “partner” to redeem and judge the world, I asked for scripture; have not received any

I asked for any…[Read more]

@ Berean,

There’s a pot calling the kettle black! Still waiting for my questions to be answered!

@ Carmel,

How interesting that you would bring up Isa 9; I am currently in the middle of studying this section of Isaiah (7-12,13).

@ Berean,

You still haven’t explained what it means to “come down from heaven” nor answered what truths I have rejected.

Funny what happens when people who are shown their thinking is incorrect; they start looking for other things to argue about, all the while ignoring the truth that just slapped them in the face.

Explain how “going to” or “ascending to” became the primary focus when “My Father, your Father; My God, your God” was the prior focus? (Hopefully…[Read more]

In reference to John 20:17 “My Father, your Father; My God, your God.” Did the Jews think of God as their father? After doing a quick, simple search; let’s take a look…

Isa 63:16 “For you are our Father, though Abraham doesn’t know us, and Israel does not acknowledge us: you, Yahweh, are our Father; our Redeemer from everlasting is your name.”[Read more]

@ Berean,

What truth have I rejected? Your belief system? Articulate.

@ Berean,

You don’t see how that belief and understanding diminishes the Father?!!? The Father, who created the universe and all that is in it, is incapable of judging and redeeming HIS creation. My the God you serve is tiny! I believe the understanding you are missing is the Father/Son, King/Prince relationship. The son/prince can never be over…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

YOU:

If Jesus Christ was not the literal firstborn of all creation, then this verse is impossible.

to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

Do I hear an amen to this verse. So far no one is saying amen to these verses in the New…[Read more]

Berean,

How am I to explain myself when you have not answered the question? You demand answers to your questions; where are my answers? My response/explanation is dependent upon an answer. What is the Jewish understanding of coming from heaven and is Jesus coming from heaven the same as manna coming from heaven? It’s a simple question, stop…[Read more]

@ Berean,

So is Christ decent from heaven the same as manna? Both “came down” from heaven.

Is Jesus truly the archangel Micheal? Can you scripturally show where in the old testament this is stated?

@ Proclaimer,

In all your have written, you still haven’t said what come “from heaven” means from a Jewish perspective.

To say the “Jews rejected” Christ is a misnomer because you need to read the book of Acts. 3000 at Pentecost.

So what does is it mean to “descend from Heaven”? Is it to physically or in the mind of God?

@ Berean,

You: “IS JESUS NOT IN A CERTAIN SENSE “THE FATHER”

NO!!

I thought Jesus was the archangel Micheal in the old testament…would that then make it the quadinitry. I’m confused!

@ Proclaimer,

What is the Jewish understanding of what it means to come  “from heaven”?

Answer that, and you may get an “amen.”

Jesus did not preexist!

…And the bible battle continues…

Our translations aren’t unified, so how can the church be?!?!? Think about it!

Ever notice how the Tanakh doesn’t have this issue?

@ Carmel,

Sorry, what you wrote sounds like something out of Dante’s Inferno!

Sheol, Hades, and Gehenna are NOT the same place, regardless of what you believe.

Hades is Greek mythology.

Gehenna is the name of an actual valley on the southeast of Jerusalem where refuse, dead animals, and unburied bodies of criminals were burned.

Sheol is o…[Read more]