@ Berean,

Have you found where it states in the old testament the Messiah was to die for our sins? As Paul states this is “according to scripture.” Still haven’t found it…

Which brings me to another question, when did God ever require a human sacrifice? The pagans did this…oh wait Jesus did this of his own accord, but it’s still a human…[Read more]

@ Danny,

Apparently you cannot answer the question and sounds like you are running away. The question is extremely important; if the source is from God, there can be zero debate over what is being said. Yet, what has been going on for the last 1700 years; arguing over what the “new testament” says, this doesn’t raise any alarms for you? Why does…[Read more]

@ Danny,

Honestly, don’t really care what bible anyone uses, there are issues in all of them; I access at least 60 different ones when I study, including the KJ.  That wasn’t the main point I was speaking on.

The new testament is God’s “inspired Word”, so there should be ZERO confusion to what is written and should be easily understood by all.…[Read more]

@ Berean,

You seriously need to run from your religion and search for real truth, your faith has been lying to you! The archangel Michael is NOT Jesus, this is a lie! You have yet to provide any real proof to this belief, you have provided zero scriptures that emphatically state this, all you have provided is your religious opinion.

You site Isa…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Those two verses are all you have for proof for a “preexisting Jesus”? Not sounding like a solid belief. I won’t rehash Prov 30 as we have been over it and you reject what scripture says in favor of your religious understanding.

This statement I find humorous,

You: “The important thing is that we had this more advanced knowledge in du…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Since you believe Jesus preexisted in heaven (no “new testament” in the first century) and the only verses ever used to support the claim are out of the “new testament”; please site old testament verses that support this claim.

@ Danny,

You haven’t explained why there is no agreement in what the new testament says, why every religion seems to have their own interpretation or understanding and will argue how their understanding is correct and your interpretation is wrong. I would call this confusion and my God is not a God of confusion, he is a God of order.

You ask i…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Still waiting for what it means to come “down from heaven”; not looking for pointy fingers and more verses. Explain it and make sure you are explaining it from a Hebraic perspective.

@ Gene,

What I have realized when speaking out about the deceptive doctrines of the church, I am (we are) “fighting” over 1700 years of indoctrination. When a lie is told long enough, it becomes truth and is almost impossible to change the longer the lie is allowed. So the change must happen at the individual level. Unfortunately, once you see…[Read more]

@ Danny,

Because I reject Isa 9:6 and Isa 53 as referring to Jesus you make the jump that I don’t believe Jesus is the Messiah?!?!

Since I can’t get Berean to answer my question of what the verses before and after are talking about in Isa 9:6-7, can you tell me without looking them up? My guess is no; but I bet you can recite those two ver…[Read more]

@ Berean,

This is insanity! When are you going to stop defending or justifying your religion? What is happening in the verses before and after that put verses 6-7 into context of what has been written. Don’t need an academic response from a commentary, just your thoughts.

About your copy and paste…

Viewpoint 1 is the Jewish…[Read more]

@ Berean,

You can quote the same scriptures over and over again, but without any explanation of what is being conveyed in the context they are written, means nothing. Using “pointy fingers” to emphasize a phrase or word says nothing, other than you know how to insert an image. What are the first five verses talking about in Isaiah chapter 9, wha…[Read more]

@ Berean,

What did I exaggerate? I quoted your words.

Basically what you’re saying is the King James translation supersedes the Hebrew of the old testament?!?!?! Who wrote the old testament (really called the Tanakh) and in what language was it written? How can you not see the change that was done? The words are literally changed from a past to…[Read more]

@ Berean,

When I suggested to you to take my question concerning the changes done to Isa 9:6, you responded with “I have no account to render to any pastor…”; how is asking this question to your religious leader “submitting to” or being “controlled by” them? To me this sounded like another deflection, hence my response. The issue isn’t about w…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Why wouldn’t you take this question to your pastor, your leader, your shepherd? Are you not allowed to ask them questions? If so, you need to run! Are you to simply plant your rear on a bench every Saturday and unquestioningly absorb all they say? If so, you need to run! I believe it’s fear preventing you from taking this question to…[Read more]

@ Berean,

I am not speaking at this moment of Isa 53; if you would like to go there, Let me know when you start a new thread and we can spend the next 20 years debating what Isa 53 is really talking about.

You don’t think grammar matters and we shouldn’t get “fussy” over tenses?!?!

Let’s eat, Grandpa.
Let’s eat Grandpa.

That comma seems extre…[Read more]

@ Berean,

The Septuagint passage was all you gleaned from what I wrote?!!??!?!?? I did go look at your link and to be honest, I got about half way thru and gave up as it’s from a false doctrinal, trinitarian perspective. I thought you didn’t believe in the trinity; the faith you follow does.

Either you didn’t read all I wrote or you are ignoring…[Read more]

Isa 9:6 was quoted during one of our conversations (page 1204, #943359), not entirely sure what the point of the comment is or really the direction they were going; but they did say to “concentrate” on Isa 9:6, so I did. The following is the verse in a few translations:

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government sha…[Read more]

@ Berean,

You tell me what scripture says about “coming from heaven”! Don’t you dare throw this back in my court as I am asking YOU to explain what YOU believe it means! You are revealing something, you are simply parroting what you are told to believe and you have no idea why you believe what you believe.

YOU:

He was in the HEAVEN WITH THE F…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

Can’t say that I deflect and veer off course onto another topic as what happened with the “my Father, your Father”, “my God, your God” discussion when it moved to “going to”/ascending to” after I posted scripture confirming the father and God of Jesus is the same father and God to us.

Now for two of you to use my line to poke at me…[Read more]