DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
YOU: “Jesus is not mentioned by name in the Old Testament.”
ME: THANK YOU!! Yet somehow he will be found in its writings by modern day “scholars.” And you don’t question this?!?!?
The “word that was with God in the beginning”; BUT what does “word/logos” mean? For you, by the use of circular reasoning, means Jesus. What it really me…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
I would love to hear an explanation from you concerning Col 1:16,17…but I won’t hold my breath.
How about a response to the law being written on the Gentile heart and not going to hell. Is that what you understand and believe because it’s scripturally sound or you believe it because this is what you were told? Your statement doesn’t…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
Isa 53 being about Jesus is completely false! So using this chapter as your “proof” produces a big, fat zero and is thrown out as evidence to your claim. You have ignored the preceding chapters and are cherry picking a couple verses from 53 to “prove” you found Jesus in the old testament because it sounds like Jesus in the new and…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
YOU: It is God’s purpose, to write his law in hearts. And so Gentiles with the law of God written in their hearts will not go to hell.
ME: If the law is written on our hearts and we will be judge accordingly, our salvation (either children of God or condemned) is hinged on how we uphold the law?!? If that’s the case, there is no point i…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
@Berean,
You respond with NO! If we don’t need Jesus, what is the point of christianity?
Explain John 3:16; sounds to me with Jesus – heaven (eternal life), without – hell (perish).
Are you intentionally being obstinate? There is a point to my question, just answer it!DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
For brevity sake let me help you along; is it safe to say, with Jesus you go to heaven and without Jesus you go to hell?
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
Salvation and how you get it isn’t the question, the question is “what is modern christianity truly based on?”
Don’t make this complicated, think basic like a child – “with this, you receive this; without this, you receive this.”
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
You’re trying to make it “spiritual” and are missing it. Go basic, like you’re telling a child; without this, you receive this.
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
If you don’t keep the commands or the faith, then what?
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
Let me rephrase the question, what is modern “christianity” truly based on?
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
@ Berean,
Those aren’t proofs, they’re doctrines and I have thrown out doctrine in favor of scriptural truth. If doctrine cannot be confirmed by scripture, it’s man made in my eyes. Now I asked to find a preexistent Jesus in the old testament, not the new…begin!
Riddle me this, what is “christianity” truly based on? If you say “love”, before…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
@ Berean,
Now find the preexisting Jesus in the old testament…GO!
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
@ Carmel,
You referenced Isa 43 and say it points to Jesus, the “New Jerusalem”, and the captive human race; this is false. Please read the entire chapter starting in verse 1. What does “anointed one” mean and who is this “anointed one” mentioned? “Anointed one” in Hebrew is “mashiach” and the Greek translates it to “messiah.” So who i…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
@ Carmel,
This is stunning to me, this is the second time you have sited Isa 9:6; did you read what I wrote about that and how it isn’t a reference to Jesus? If you read the chapter beginning in verse 1, how exactly can you come to the conclusion that it’s reference to Jesus? Better yet start in chapter 7 and read to the end of 9 to put the ent…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
@ Carmel,
You: “ME; JESUS IS NOT JUST GOD, BUT EVEN SUPERIOR TO GOD AS HE IS THE ONLY
GODMAN!”Jesus is superior to the Almighty God!?!?!!? What heresy to you believe?!?!? No wonder you won’t state your faith!
WOW!!!!
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
@ Danny,
When are you planning on answering my question? Everyone demands I answer theirs, but mine are ignored or evaded.
For giggles let’s say Isa 53 is a reference to Jesus, scripture is suppose to “confirm itself”; what is the confirming verse that states the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind? We are so confident we are correct,…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
@ Proclaimer,
Did you even read the proceeding chapters beginning in chapter 41? If you haven’t, all you are doing is peddling the lies of the church, cherry picking “truth.” Who’s speaking in verse 1? Then to call me a denier of the Son of God because I say chapter 53 isn’t a reference to Jesus; if Jesus is in 53, he is also in 41(chosen and n…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
@ Berean,
Why do you keep avoiding the question?!? You keep repeating Jesus had to died for our sins and Paul states “according to scripture” (written in the old testament); yet I haven’t found the verse that states the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind. This creates a HUGE problem for “christianity” if the verse doesn’t exist, this…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
@ Danny,
You: Shame on YOU for rejecting Isaiah 53 as a messianic prophecy.
Me: You’re kidding right!??!? I just about spit my drink all over my screen laughing! I will point you to Page 1207 Post #943444 and read the brief explanation of why I can’t accept Isa 53 as speaking of Jesus. Then I would challenge you to verify it for yourself. Don…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 9 months ago
@ Berean,
You’re avoiding the questions by deflecting to Abraham, using his scenario, and relating it to Jesus. This is what the church has been telling people as long as I can remember. The only place this is referenced in the new testament is in Hebrews – a book whose author is unknown, reads similar to a homily, and is highly contentious among…[Read more]
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