@Berean

I have been over Isa 53:9 before, go find my response. If you want to believe Isa 53 is Jesus – fantastic. Now find where in the OT the Messiah was to be buried and raised up in three days!

Begin!

@Nick

It is obvious you don’t want to be a part of the conversation, as you have brought nothing to it except contention. Why are you here? Reciprocity is what makes a conversation work; ask a question, have question answered and vice versa. A concept that apparently is foreign to you.

Good luck!

@Nick,

Did you just ask me a question without answering mine? Let’s do this, answer one of my questions and I’ll answer one of yours. I am tired of this question “goal post” moving and me required to answer everyone’s questions while mine remain unanswered.

By the way, what am I suppose to repent of?

@Nick,

So what you’re saying is you aren’t going to answer any of my questions…understood.

Good thing Proclaimer created this website so we could discuss our like thoughts.

@Nick,

I am quoting scripture from the OT and comparing it to its usage in NT; and asking why they don’t match. Apparently my questions are to difficult for you or by answering them truthfully it will overturn your world just like it did mine and it scares you!

Either answer the questions or ignore the conversation!

@Nick,

Why are you so afraid to answer my questions?

@Nick,

So far you have offered nothing to this conversation, other than accusations and condemnation; none of which answer any of the questions I’ve asked. I asked one primary question, Paul said “according to scripture” the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind, be buried and raised up on the third day. This means it is written in the OT; f…[Read more]

@Nick,
You: “Understand that the anointed sons of God in Christ Jesus explain and interpret the OT.”

Me: Are we to just accept their interpretations as being truth or do we verify what they’re saying against what the OT actually says? Is there an amount of “twisting” of God’s words that is acceptable?

Anyways, what you’re saying is you have no i…[Read more]

@Nick,

I need you to focus like a laser beam on what I am going to show you; then grab your favorite bible and verify it for yourself.

Rom 10:5-8

5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “Do not say in your h…[Read more]

@Gene,

You still haven’t read a thing I have said.

First, the term/name/phrase “suffering servant” is found NOWHERE in the bible. This term/name/phrase is man made to create a title for this chapter in Isaiah. So the only thing to be understood in this chapter is God’s “servant”, not “suffering servant.”

Second, I have asked you who is speaking…[Read more]

@Gene,

Sorry, but you are reaching to validate what you cannot or will not answer and trying to justify it away.

You: where did Paul ever say “everything written in the New Testament must be found in the Old Testament”

Me: Not speaking of everything written; just when Paul said “according to scripture”, this really isn’t that hard. The OT is…[Read more]

@Berean,

Isa.42
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth;

And your question is when did God’s “soul” delight in Israel/Jacob.

The first part that has to be answered is who is “mine elect” or “my chosen”? According to Strong’s 972 “bachir” means chosen and other word usages are “chosen one” and “elect.” “Ba…[Read more]

@Nick,

You’re “shooting” the messenger; I didn’t make the claim, Paul did. I’m verifying the claim and can’t find it. Hence the question to where in the OT is Paul’s claim. So instead of answering the question, most get defensive and then combative as I ask more questions or offer explanations contrary to what is taught. If the answer is so o…[Read more]

@Nick,

Maybe you can answer the question surrounding what is stated in I Cor 15:3,4 where Paul states “according to scripture” the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind and be buried and raised from the dead after three days. Paul makes the claim and there was no NT in the first century, so Paul was speaking of it being “prophesied” in the…[Read more]

@Nick,

You: “But knowing there are faults does not mean we are fit to be a judge of scripture.”

Me: I’m not “judging” scripture, I am pointing out the corruption of the translators; if the tenses, plurality, or the punctuation is changed anywhere, the meaning can be changed and a bias inserted. The fact the translators of the KJ changed t…[Read more]

@Berean,

Nothing in your reply have you proved or explained anything; pointy fingers, pointing at existing words, does not offer proof or an explanation to what the words are trying to convey. Am I suppose to translate pointy fingers to mean Jesus? Explain how these verses in Isa 42:1-4 (first “servant song”) ARE a reference to Jes…[Read more]

@Gene,

Have you read Isaiah Chapters 41-65 yet? Please read this section of Isaiah all the while paying attention to who the “servant” is. If you don’t we will continue to go in circles and I am not a fan of merry-go-rounds.

Using the handful of translations I use on a regular basis, KJV translates verse 2 in the future tense, while the other…[Read more]

@Gene,

Do a search on the four “Servant Songs” of Isaiah – Isaiah 42:1–4; Isaiah 49:1–6; Isaiah 50:4–11; and Isaiah 52:13–53:12 is what you will come up with. Did I come up with these as being “songs”, NO. The Jewish and Christian scholarly did, I’m just repeating what they have said. Theses “songs” are taught in both Judaism and Christianity…[Read more]

@ Jodi,

There is no logic involved in what I wrote; I’m simply using rules of grammar and associating the pronouns to who is speaking or being spoken of. This is why it’s extremely important to know who is speaking where in this “song.” I applied your line of thinking that the “our”, “me”, and “my” refer to the apostles (apparently speakin…[Read more]

@Gene,

You: “I don’t recall you ever telling us who it is “specifically” speaking about. Please tell us and explain to us how you reached that conclusion. You’re contradicting our assumptions, but not telling us who it is talking about then. ”

Me: This makes me sad (post #943966 & #943990) I spent an appreciable amount time writing and explain…[Read more]