yet it never changes the truth..but rather, only draws others into the darkness of your own delusions..!!!

If God is Triune (3 in 1) you’d think that man (made in His image) would be triune too (body, soul, spirit)..!! and also that Satan would have his own triune counterfeit – 666 (beast, false prophet, antichrist)..!! (?)
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The Trinity is self-evident IF you have eyes to see (born of the Spirit)..!!
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“A CORD OF THREE STRANDS IS NOT QUICKLY BR…[Read more]

t8 – I don’t have time for these games..you’ve basically railroaded this debate, which seems to suggest you got a little scared that the truth about the Trinity might break out into the daylight, for all to see..
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but in the end what you have done here seems quite fitting really because it highlights what you’ve done to Scripture – make changes…[Read more]

t8 – I see you have altered the format here where we are debating – now the thread of each argument is lost.. 

let me know when you’ve fixed your site..
 

I believe the translation we have of John 1:1 is true – that Jesus existed in the beginning with God, as God…and I will contend for this on the ground that it is confirmed to us throughout the Scriptures, and secondly that you people who attack the doctrine of the Trinity actually undermine the faith and trust that we, as disciples of Christ,…[Read more]

again – you say it doesn’t make sense to call Jesus God if He Himself called the Father “..My God and your God.”
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But in considering this apparent anomaly you must remember to take into account David’s prophetic utterance of the Messiah in Psalm 45, where (v 6) it is spoken of Christ, “Your throne, *O God,* is forever and ever;” and in verse 7,…[Read more]

You say that our Father and our God is also Jesus’ Father and His God..that we are BROTHERS to Jesus, and SONS to God..
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but how does this verse you quote relate to what Jesus said in John 10:34…”Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”‘ ??
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how can we be sons of God, and yet according to Scripture – gods as…[Read more]

You say that belief in the Trinity contradicts Scripture…if this is true, then WHY is John 1:1 such a problem to you guys..? The answer is because it’s a Scripture that very directly SUPPORTS the Trinity..!!
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And does the rest of Scripture support John 1:1 ? – I believe it clearly does in many places, including Jesus’ own words, and have…[Read more]

The Scriptures you offer as proof against the Trinity ARE actually verses that help us to understand the Trinity..!!! unfortunately this is how blind human logic is with regard to spiritual understanding..
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Paul uses the example of marriage – how the man is head of the wife, to show that Christ is Head of the Church, and God the Head of…[Read more]

“..the Word was with God…and the Word was God.” – is this somehow my own ‘interpretation’ rather than simply what the Bible itself says in black and white..and does it really negate the rest of Scripture..(like t8 would have us believe)..???
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Let’s see – “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness..’” (G…[Read more]

“..the Word was with God…the Word was God.” – does this simple revelation of Jesus really contradict the rest of Scripture..(like t8 would have us believe)..???
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Let’s see – “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness..'” (Genesis 1:26)..
Funny, if God is Triune, and we are made in His image – wouldn’t it make…[Read more]

The true Church is NOT established on the doctrines and intellectual teachings of ‘man’ – Jesus said, “on this rock *I* will build My church…!!! The foundation of truth is established solely on the unshakable rock of divine revelation – the revelation of Jesus Christ, as revealed in the Word of God, by the Father, through the Holy Spirit.

when I talk of ‘logic’ I am wanting to make a distinction between head knowledge and heart understanding…sure God has given us a brain but human understanding alone cannot comprehend the things of God..(1 Corinthians 2:14)
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When Jesus said to Nicodemus, “You must be born again..” I believe He was highlighting to this teacher in Israel the…[Read more]

well, I am happy to let others discern between what we are saying..

you rely on your own logic – but it is this logic that brings confusion..we are to understand Scripture according to the simple revelation of the Holy Spirit..which reveals to us, just as it did to the apostles, and Thomas.. Jesus is both Lord and God.
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This does not contradict Scripture – only your human logic.

In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes…

the Word was with God..the Word was God – what’s more simple than that ?

ok – rather than getting into a boring debate over Greek grammar…(even though translators who have a mastery of koinie Greek state that there are many scholarly works that can be cited to show why the phrase Theos en ho logos is correctly translated “The Word was God”) but – let’s say, for arguments sake (and remember we are wanting to dis…[Read more]

that was all wondering said to me t8…
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you say Scripture is my witness – but you are like a blind man saying, I can see..!!!