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    UMB5

    If you believe he and his father being one…means they are the same exact people..then you must believe these Christians are either the same exact people, or part of the trinity. Or is it that the Christian congregation is to be one in unity, will, and purpose, JUST AS the father and son are one in unity, will and purpose?

    Yes the latter…[Read more]

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    UMB5

    If you believe he and his father being one…means they are the same exact people..than you must believe these Christians are either the same exact people, or part of the trinity. Or is it that the Christian congregation is to be one in unity, will, and purpose, JUST AS the father and son are one in unity, will and purpose?

    Yes the latter…[Read more]

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    so now the Church fathers are ‘wolves’ and ‘foolish men’…

    just like you say the words of Christ are ‘useless’..?!?

     

    but you of course are led by the Spirit……!?

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    Why the Trinity is Necessary

     

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    <h1 class=”yt watch-title-container”><span id=”eow-title” class=”watch-title ” dir=”ltr” title=”Why the Trinity is Necessary”>Why the Trinity is Necessary</span></h1>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRmIKU9e3FY

     

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    it is surprising how quickly the wolf moved in to devour the flock with false doctrines.

    Yes – maybe as quick as you also are in denying the truth..

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    The ‘true faith’ IS – the truth

    which bears the true testimony of Jesus Christ our Lord and God

    One with the Father in perfect unity as revealed in the Scriptures by the Holy Spirit

    but denied by apostates and deceivers

    false teachers who have not the Spirit

    who’s minds have been corrupted from the purity and symplicity of devotion to Christ

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    The ‘true faith’ IS – the truth

    which bears the true testimony of Jesus Christ our Lord and God

    One with the Father in perfect unity as revealed in the Scriptures by the Holy Spirit

    but denied by apostates and deceivers

    false teachers who have not the Spirit

    who’s minds have been corrupted from the purity of devotion to Christ

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    The ‘true faith’ <b>is</b> – the truth

    which bears the true testimony of Jesus Christ our Lord and God

    One with the Father in perfect unity as revealed in the Scriptures by the Holy Spirit

    but denied by apostates and deceivers

    false teachers who have not the Spirit

    who’s minds have been corrupted from the purity of devotion to Christ

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    The true faith <b>IS</b> – the truth

    which bears the true testimony of Jesus Christ our Lord and God

    One with the Father in perfect unity as revealed in the Scriptures by the Holy Spirit

    but denied by apostates and deceivers

    false teachers who have not the Spirit

    who’s minds have been corrupted from the purity of devotion to Christ

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    I follow the true faith which testifies to the Deity of Jesus Christ, as revealed by the Holy Spirit through the inspired and Living Word of God…the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.. the faith that has undergone the test of time – and the assault of corrupt teachers like yourself who support the erroneous doctrines promoted on…[Read more]

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    22. Hippolytus (170–235): “The Logos alone of this God is from God himself; wherefore also the Logos is God, being the substance of God.” (Hippolytus, Refutation of All Heresies, 10.29.ANF, V:151)

    23. Caius (180–217) “Perhaps what they allege might be credible, did not the Holy Scriptures, in the first place, contradict them. And then, besid…[Read more]

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    22. Hippolytus (170–235): “The Logos alone of this God is from God himself; wherefore also the Logos is God, being the substance of God.” (Hippolytus, Refutation of All Heresies, 10.29.ANF, V:151)

    23. Caius (180–217) “Perhaps what they allege might be credible, did not the Holy Scriptures, in the first place, contradict them. And then, besid…[Read more]

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    16. Irenaeus (again): “He received testimony from all that He was very man, and that He was very God, from the Father, from the Spirit, from angels, from the creation itself, from men, from apostate spirits and demons.” (Ibid., 4.6.7. ANF, I:469)

    17. Irenaeus (again): “Christ Jesus our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the wil…[Read more]

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    11. Justin (again): The Father of the universe has a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, is even God. And of old He appeared in the shape of fire and in the likeness of an angel to Moses and to the other prophets; but now in the times of your reign, having, as we before said, become Man by a virgin . . .” (Justin Martyr, First Ap…[Read more]

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    6. Polycarp of Smyrna (69–155): Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth . . ., and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead. (P…[Read more]

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    You construe your own interpretations according to your anti-trinity bias – but what did the church fathers teach concerning the deity of Christ..?

    They rigorously defended the Divinity of Jesus Christ against the heretics of their own time..

    1. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 50–117): For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to Go…[Read more]

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    DavidL replied to the topic 1 Timothy 3:16 in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years ago

    You construe your own interpretations according to your anti-trinity bias – but what did the church fathers teach concerning the deity of Christ..?

    They rigorously defended the deity of Jesus Christ against the heretics of their own time..

    1. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 50–117): For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to Go…[Read more]

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    show me anything I have shared that is based on the teachings of men.

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