Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,16:34)My interpretation of Elohim is the word God in reference to The Almighty YHVH.—–Theos is the word God in reference to the position of YHVH The Almighty.—–Theos takes more of the title.Elohim to me, is the sacred reverance.——So when you see Elohim you know it is YHVH almighty.When you see theos, it is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2010,23:41)Hi David,How about this question…what is the light that He had begotten in Gen 1:3.  Have you heard the expression, “Light of Light' before?  The Father is the Light and the Son is the Light OF Light as in Light FROM Light.  One was first (the Father) and then beget the other (the Son).You asked “When wi…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2010,01:57)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 14 2010,09:54)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 14 2010,10:32)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 13 2010,13:41)Thanks Ed for responding,No it doesn't disturb me. I'll try to make it fun, ok?I've asked but no one has said HOW TO put Hebrew letters onto this site.  How did you do it?  I copy from my word program and i…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,14:56)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,04:42)Quote (barley @ Aug. 16 2010,09:29)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2010,13:08)Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,14:04)Sorry folks. Sometimes I must deal with the children. I am still looking for the rational to tell me the fruit of the doctrine of pre-existence. Show me how it…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,15:01)Mike posted this to another thread to me.  But please stop trying to butcher the scriptures to make “ascend to where I was before” be some kind of abstract riddle Jesus was telling.  It says what it says, and when you add the fact that the disciples actually DID eventually see him ascend to where he was b…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Aug. 16 2010,14:12)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,04:42)Quote (barley @ Aug. 16 2010,09:29)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2010,13:08)Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,14:04)Sorry folks. Sometimes I must deal with the children. I am still looking for the rational to tell me the fruit of the doctrine of pre-existence. Show me how it…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2010,11:20)Quote (martian @ Aug. 09 2010,09:36)The Trinity doctrine states the Son is coeternal with the Father. Others believe the Son was the first being Yahweh created. Either view believes the “Son” pre-existed prior to his earthly birth. If that is true, how are we to understand the following words Yahweh…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Aug. 16 2010,09:29)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2010,13:08)Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,14:04)Sorry folks. Sometimes I must deal with the children. I am still looking for the rational to tell me the fruit of the doctrine of pre-existence. Show me how it benefits me and I will consider it.Martiani was looking at your remarks and i…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 16 2010,10:45)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2010,02:32)Marian……>  sorry i did not mean T8 and Martian , I meant T8 and Mike. sorry brother.peace and love ………………..geneGene!  Again you are denying Scripture….. Col. 1!6 states that through Jesus all was created….and John 1:3 also states that through The Word a…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2010,11:00)Irene …………> as i have said before a (WORD) can (NOT) BE FLESH. It can only come to be (IN) a flesh person. Also we have shown here many times the translators could have just as easily used the word (for) or (because of) they all have the same Greek translation. But trinitarians trying to push their…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,13:01)All the debates center on proving that Christ pre-existed, I want to know what purpose it serves. Did God do it so that we would have something to debate? How does this doctrine work?  What does it do for the believer? How does it help me along the journey to become like Christ?What kind of fruit does it…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,10:55)942767do you agree or disagree?is there anyone that disagrees?Hello RM,Your premise was right but that's about all:  IMOTruth:God is love.YOU:Why did God become a man to physically die?ME:He didn't. Why are you trying to promote a lie?Man physically came about by physical dirt…not spirit as you claim.  Then G…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2010,22:57)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 14 2010,22:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2010,18:36)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,14:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,14:39)Oh yeah, and don't forget that Satan is one of the everything that came into existence through God's only begotten Son.  How does that fact fit into…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 15 2010,07:46)Mike,From page 72:When did any of your “Let's take things point by point” ever end up “point by Point”?This forum is littered with this “begotten” (Who started this?) theme. If all you are saying is that Jesus had a beginning when God created him and you call this being “Begotten” then let it be.This, however,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,10:39)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 13 2010,23:22)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,01:43)t8Nice try but the Bible doesn't say we have recieved more than “One Spirit” does it?And as far as us being “One in Spirit” is not the same as being “One Spirit” is it?WJ, yes it was a nice try and there is another one.If we are…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2010,10:28)Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 14 2010,23:46)A Spirit (read: “God” here) and only God can CREATE another Spirit because ALL Spirit is IN and FROM him. It is the 'intelligence' in Creation.JA………..Howl la lou ya  brother………..Findley someone who understands what Spirit really IS> Intellect, and is in…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2010,18:36)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,14:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,14:39)Oh yeah, and don't forget that Satan is one of the everything that came into existence through God's only begotten Son.  How does that fact fit into your theory?And so was days, so how does that fit into your…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,15:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,02:28)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 13 2010,23:00)John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was (of) God.But the word is not in the greek text in over 5000 manuscripts. You are adding to the scritptures my friend.Dangerous to say the…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Aug. 15 2010,04:38)Whew!nobody can accuse Francis of not being thorough.Good post.TimYes Tim I agree that Francis' post was quite thorough and his closing statement is one that I was thinking about too:”….why I should believe Muhammad words  about Jesus… since he wrote 600 years after Jesus' life.”I also found out that they…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 14 2010,15:59)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 14 2010,01:28)Show me the Father (relic) and I'll (Bod) believe.  Jesus showed them the Father and they still didn't believe.I was the first one there to drive the first nail into my Savior's hand.  I gladly washed my sins in Jesus' blood and I was there kissing his feet as he rose f…[Read more]