Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 20 2010,02:39)hi allGod is invisible but not Christ,it is trough Christ that God created all things, so there must be a chemistry .and Adam was created to the likes of God but Eve was created to the likes of AdamPierreHi Pierre,You bring up something interesting:Eve was created to the likes of Adam.  How?  Adam is a m…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 20 2010,02:39)hi allGod is invisible but not Christ,it is trough Christ that God created all things, so there must be a chemistry .and Adam was created to the likes of God but Eve was created to the likes of AdamPierrePierre,There is only ONE verse in the Bible when I did a search that says, “God is spirit” and it is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 19 2010,23:43)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 17 2010,01:49)He (God) doesn't have a body.”  I disagree. As you know God (Elohim) has two essences, male and female.The Female is spirit and doesn't have a body, but I think your statement was referring to YHWH Elohim who does have a body and we “see” it appearing in Genesis 3:8ffThis is a…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 24 2010,03:27)My brother passed away roughly 8 months ago on Dec. 09 2009.Today is his birthday! (Aug. 23rd 2010).He by far was and is the greatest christian I knowHere's his story, summarized for an easy ead.————–Ndubuisi 'Titus' Ogbaa BiographyMy brother was real wicked and evil as a kid. He always got in fights,…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Aug. 25 2010,01:13)Quote Many times in the OT (especially in Psalms) in the middle of a sentence or paragraph one person is talking and then it changes to another.In Revelation, it was a Revelation from God given to Jesus, who told an angel to show it to John who is telling it to us, or Jesus “slaves” or servants. (A lot of room for…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 24 2010,20:44)David,I'm glad that you understood and agree. Kathi,Take a look at Truth and Tradition. “Begotten God”.Hopefully, I put it in in a fair and equitable manner.The Professor

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 24 2010,20:04)Professor,This thread is entitled 'born and begotten' and I find it an appropriate thread for what I am posting.  I know you and JA do not believe that Yahweh could have an offspring that was His nature exactly but I do. It is their nature that makes them both deity, the difference is one was not begotten and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 24 2010,16:52)Professor David,I am not being deceptive, I actually believe John 1:18 and that the Son of God is the only begotten God.  If that is deception, then Paul is guilty of that too.What is it you want me to go back and address?  If the disciples call God 'Theos,' I think it is ok if I do too.  If Paul calls the on…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 24 2010,15:08)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 23 2010,10:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 23 2010,15:26)David,I'm wondering why you can't say that the Son is the begotten God?  What is holding you back?  Would God beget less than Himself.  Does man beget less than man, or any does any example in creation beget an offspring of a di…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 24 2010,14:50)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 23 2010,10:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 23 2010,15:26)David,I'm wondering why you can't say that the Son is the begotten God?  What is holding you back?  Would God beget less than Himself.  Does man beget less than man, or any does any example in creation beget an offspring of a di…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 24 2010,11:20)David!  In Hebrew 1:8 and John 1:1, The Word of God is called God.  I understand that God is a title and many in ancient times were called God.  Jehovah God is the Almighty God and The Word is the Mighty God.  There are many then that were called Mighty Gods.  We also have to understand that by Jesus own word…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 24 2010,11:20)David!  In Hebrew 1:8 and John 1:1, The Word of God is called God.  I understand that God is a title and many in ancient times were called God.  Jehovah God is the Almighty God and The Word is the Mighty God.  There are many then that were called Mighty Gods.  We also have to understand that by Jesus own word…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 24 2010,11:20)David!  In Hebrew 1:8 and John 1:1, The Word of God is called God.  I understand that God is a title and many in ancient times were called God.  Jehovah God is the Almighty God and The Word is the Mighty God.  There are many then that were called Mighty Gods.  We also have to understand that by Jesus own word…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2010,16:43)Hi David and Kathi,David, you are spot on with all you said in your last post.  You and I and Kathi would make a very formiddible scriptural team against the non-preexisters and the trinitarians if we could stay on the topic and avoid the “holy spirit is a chick” and “Jesus is God in every sense that God is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 23 2010,15:26)David,I'm wondering why you can't say that the Son is the begotten God?  What is holding you back?  Would God beget less than Himself.  Does man beget less than man, or any does any example in creation beget an offspring of a different kind?Kathi,As for the second part of your statement:I begat my daughter St…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 23 2010,15:26)David,I'm wondering why you can't say that the Son is the begotten God?  What is holding you back?  Would God beget less than Himself.  Does man beget less than man, or any does any example in creation beget an offspring of a different kind?Hi Kathi,It is basically the same that I don't say that Jesus is th…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 23 2010,22:39)DBFhow could those people believe and have no doubt,  if they do not believe half of the written scriptures,??the Jews add all the scriptures and did not believe either,just good for arguing about words .and try to kill the faith in others who seek the truth of God.PierrePierre,Good question. But let's look…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 23 2010,13:44)Wow you guys need to shutup seriously.You keep saying I am saying that Jesus = The Father.and I keep having to say he IS NOT The Father, but the reflected image of The Father… IN WHICH THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT A SON IS.————Your children are not you, but reflections of you. Little YOU's…————The…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,09:43)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,06:53)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2010,04:04)Georg………So show (ONE) clear scripture that say this “JESUS EXISTED AS A BEING LONG BEFORE HIS BERTH” and i will admit you are right, not some  ambiguous scripture that can be taken different ways , but a clear specific…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2010,11:35)15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:I wanted to go to…[Read more]