Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,09:31)Quote (david @ Mar. 26 2012,05:17)Michael is said to be the Captain of the Angel host of GodHi David, are you suggesting that is Michael the Archangel in this verse?…(Josh 5:13-14) “And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,09:28)Quote (david @ Mar. 26 2012,04:59)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,06:13)i David, Yes the JWs do promote many errors.Yes, Nick, I agree with you that you are mostly wrong all the time.  Well said.  Also, I like it when you start a post to me saying “yes” as though you are agreeing with something i said.Nick, t…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Mar. 26 2012,08:48)Hi David, Nick, and all, thanks for the info.David,While I don't disagree with your possible interpretation of '1 Thess 4:16', I would like you to clarify and satisfy yourself and me, that the text could not mean that the shout was:   'Like that of An ArchAngel'and not necessarily that the shout was:   'That of T…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2012,06:49)Hi Mb, So to you he is a lesser god and an angelAre all angels gods?Nick, who do you think ps 8:5 refers to, if not angels?

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 26 2012,12:50)Quote (david @ Mar. 26 2012,04:39)Quote (david @ Mar. 25 2012,04:42)Jammin, you said:“the son is also called the true GOD.”So I asked:”In this verse?  Where?  Please explain.  Please explain why your Bible inserts the words “Jesus Christ” when they don't exist in the original writing?  Were the original wri…[Read more]

Quote David,Read this :JOHN 17 :3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sentAccording to you what is the right definition OF:”that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ,”Hi Carmel.”Jesus” is a name.”the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent”If I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,04:55)Luke 246 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.By what means did this 12 year old boy get this understanding and these answers, David?Also, do you…[Read more]

Another thought:JW say that since Jesus is the one prophesied to crush Satan’s head, and since he accomplishes all these other judgment acts, it is only logical to conclude that he would lead heaven’s armies in the casting of Satan out of heaven. Hence, the conquering Michael referred to in Revelation 12 must be Jesus, who was told by Jehovah to “…[Read more]

(John 5:25) “Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live.(John 5:28) Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear voice…1 THESSALONIANS 4:16“because the Lord himself will descend fro…[Read more]

Again, on 1Thess:For those who have previously said: ‘It was just an archangels voice accompanying Jesus, but it wasn’t Jesus himself who had the commanding call.’ John 5:25,28 solves the problem: “the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God.” So in 1 thessalonians, its the archangel's voice, but in John 5, it is the voice of the Son of God&#03…[Read more]

Quote So no one can sensibly and honestly argue that Jesus is not an angel of God.–MikeOh, believe me, they can argue it.

Quote As for Toby's point #6, David assumes Jesus was speaking prophetically about when he WILL see Satan fall like lightning from heaven. David, it is not just your assumption, but must be the truth because John received a revelation from the exalted Jesus of things SOON TO HAPPEN. And in that revelation of things SOON TO HAPPEN, Satan and his…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2012,05:47)Hi David, Still reliant on and promoting evil JW theology? Scripture is saferNick, that's ok, I forgive you.I'm not promoting the JW theology any more than you are promoting your buddhism. (I assumed you would make the connection, but I over estimated you yet again. I am sorry to be this way, but you often…[Read more]

Looking back at 1 Thess 4:16:Notice the second half of 1 Thess 4:16: “because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God's trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” Now let’s look at Jesus’ words:““Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is n…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2012,05:43)Hi David, So no scriptural evidence. seems a futile task.Yes Nick,virtually none of your posts have scriptures in them. I have noticed this as well. They seem to be mostly quips and buddhist philosophy based. I agree.

The Bible definitely doesn't state that “Jesus is Michael, the archangel.” But, here are why some believe he is:JESUS CALLS OUT WITH AN ARCHANGELS VOICE.1 THESSALONIANS 4:16“because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will…[Read more]

The spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his…[Read more]

Toby, there are just a couple groups that believe that Michael is another name for Jesus while Jesus is in heaven. The Adventists say that Jesus is the arch angel, meaning he is the chief OVER the angels. I really don't know how people can argue with that thought, but they also say he is Michael the archangel.JW's, who picked up some of their…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,05:01)David,Nick resigned from being a mod when he came back.  He wanted to stay focused on being a pain in the butt instead.  Ah, I see my petitions and many letters to new zealand have worked. It only took 7 years. 🙂

Hi Toby.Quote It is to be mused over whether 'Satan' could be called 'An ArchAngel' in light of the fact that he is the 'Chief Angel' of the Diabolics, the Fallen Angels.Sorry Toby. I misunderstood your post.Whether Satan is called an arch (chief) angel or not, he was an angel, and he is chief of the demons, who I believe are fallen angels. So,…[Read more]