Quote David.Anything can be a god:mountains rivers,animals,trees,planets.the forest,monkeys,money.sports.Maybe there are different ways of looking at it.Anything can be worshiped AS a god, or viewed AS a god, or even believed to be a “god,” but this does not make it a god. The idol “gods” were not real gods, but were “false gods,” having no…[Read more]

Ed, I think we (you and Mike, because I am sleeping now) have to work on your definition of “god.”It seems inconsistent with much of the Bible. Inconsistencies often are a clue that something might be wrong with our beliefs. Maybe I should ask this again and be even more clear:I'm asking for your definition of the word “god” as used in the Bible…[Read more]

Ed's definition of “god.”Quote Creator of the universe – father to believers – mightiest of all to those who consider God an enemy.So, breaking it down, and factoring for X:”Creator of the universe – father to believers – mightiest of all to those who consider an enemy.”So, I inserted the definition of “god” into the definition itself where you…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2012,17:05)Quote (david @ July 31 2012,16:52)many troubles can be solved quickly by defining the term.I have defined how I understand the word “god” as used in the Bible:”mighty one, powerful one, strong one.”How would you define it Ed, as understood in the light of the Bible?Hi David,Creator of the universe – father to…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2012,12:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 31 2012,10:55)Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2012,17:04)Hi Mike,Do you include Jesus in Jer.10:11?Jer 10 is clearly speaking about man-made idols (read verses 3-9), which are no elohim at all, Ed.EXACTLY my point.       …thanks for spelling it out!I'd like to make clear that the idols of wood an…[Read more]

Quote (david @ July 31 2012,16:50)Quote Hi David, no secret.There are no other gods  –  all the other gods are idols.1. So, are you saying that Moses was being called an idol?2. When the angels were called “gods” were they being idols?3. And what of Jesus?many troubles can be solved quickly by defining the term.I have defined how I understand t…[Read more]

Quote Hi David, no secret.There are no other gods – all the other gods are idols.1. So, are you saying that Moses was being called an idol?2. When the angels were called “gods” were they being idols?3. And what of Jesus?

In the Bible, we have certain ones called by the word “savior.” It is simply a word that means one who saves.So, God is a savior by virtue of the fact that he provided his son as a ransom sacrifice.His son is a savior because he is the one that died for us.As well, certain men in the Bible were called saviors because of their saving acts. And…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2012,12:10)Quote (david @ July 31 2012,11:38)Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2012,03:44)Quote (david @ July 30 2012,18:17)Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2012,07:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2012,04:51)Hi Ed, what does this verse mean to you?       “Ye are even my witnesses. Is there an elohim beside me? yea, there is NO elohim; I know not an…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2012,03:44)Quote (david @ July 30 2012,18:17)Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2012,07:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2012,04:51)Hi Ed, what does this verse mean to you?       “Ye are even my witnesses. Is there an elohim beside me? yea, there is NO elohim; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)What does it mean for Jehovah to say there are no ot…[Read more]

Quote Beside me there is no saviour.And there's also the God is “wise alone” scripture. Yet, others in the Bible are definitely said to be wise.But I don't think we even have to go to this normal logic. If people just understood how relatively works and how they themselves use relativey when speaking, it would solve the issue.

Einsteins law of relativity.”Ye are even my witnesses. Is there an elohim beside me? yea, there is NO elohim; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)If I were God, I might well say that I don't know of any mighty ones (gods).If I were the universe, I might well say that I know of nothing else that is large. I might say: “Is there anything big besides me?…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2012,07:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2012,04:51)Hi Ed, what does this verse mean to you?       “Ye are even my witnesses. Is there an elohim beside me? yea, there is NO elohim; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)What does it mean for Jehovah to say there are no other elohim, when we know from scripture that there are many?Please ex…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2012,06:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 29 2012,06:47)So then you know that when Jehovah says, “apart from me there is no elohim“, it does not mean that Jehovah is LITERALLY the ONLY elohim in existence, right?Hi Mike,God not being bound by time knew that “English” would refine his message  –  so no.God blessEd J (Joshua 2…[Read more]

Mike, I have had this conversation in many different threads over the years. The problem is that the word “god” has become genericised. Just as there are a lot of people that believe kleenex “is” facial tissue, rather than being a very specific brand of facial tissue, so too, because the “god” of the Bible is so popular, and since when using the…[Read more]

Quote Genesis 14:14When Abram heard that his relative had been taken captive, he called out the 318 trained men born in his household and went in pursuit as far as Dan.Dan hadn't even been born yet, let alone given a portion of Canaanite land.I also find this interesting and someone should start a thread on it.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2012,13:23)Quote (david @ July 25 2012,01:04)“that seems an interesting topic and could very easily HAVE IT'S OWN THREAD.”–David.David and Jeremy,This thread is about whether or not God's personal name appears in the NT.  How is Kathi “off topic” in this regard?  Hey Mike. I didn't really think it was off topic, as m…[Read more]

Oh, sorry. I never made it to the end of this thread to see. Thanks.

Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2012,07:35)David et al,Here is some information of the Hebrew Roots Bible and Hebrew Roots Version:Go to this website and scroll down to the “Hebrew Roots Bible” and click on the link to read it online. Also, the Hebrew Roots Version below it has a very informative intro as to how it was translated. Go to page 54 of the…[Read more]

Lightenup, in another thread, you asked mike if he did any research on the Aramaic Bible in Plain English. Rather than asking people to do research, why not start a thread, and show us the line of evidence from this Bible. But, rather than just show scriptures, I think it would be a good idea to show the history of this Bible…where it came…[Read more]