Nick said:”They say that you can recognise true christians by these things;Love for one anotherRespect for the BibleHonouring the Name of God.Preaching.Having no part of the world.”Are any of these things a bad thing Nick?Again, I'll pick out just one, the first one, like before:JOHN 13:35“By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU h…[Read more]

Nick said:”Your Ephesians quote says the same as Collosians 3.1f. That situation exists now for those in Christ but where are they physically? Here on earth.”I thought that scripture in Ephesians 2:6 said they would be seated together in “heavenly places” with Jesus Christ.

“Jehovah is a Rock”Do you believe this Nick?Jehovah was spoken of as “sitting upon the cherubs” that were on the propitiatory cover of the ark of the testimony in the sanctuary. (Ex 25:22; 1Sa 4:4) Was Jehovah actually sitting upon the cherubs? Similarly, does the God whom the heavens cannot contain, does he actually sit upon a throne?I do not…[Read more]

Hey liljon, where the NIV has the word “ruler” at Rev 3:14, most other Bibles as far as I know have the word “beginning.” The Greek word is arkhe. For some reason, the translators of the NIV have translated “beginning” (Greek-arkhe) as “ruler.”The same idea can be said for the Emtv at Col 1:15 and the us of the word “over” instead of the word…[Read more]

NickYou quoted Col 3:1 which speaks of the annointed being raised up with Christ. To where?EPHESIANS 2:6“and he raised us up together and seated us together in the heavenly places in union with Christ Jesus,”So, you're saying that eventually, if you remain faithful, you will have a heavenly body while on earth. Is that right? Please, just say…[Read more]

Interesting. I found a scripture that says Jehovah has wings.PSALM 91:4“With his pinions he will block approach to you, And under his wings you will take refuge. His trueness will be a large shield and bulwark.”So, if you like, you can change the title of this forum to: do angels have literal wings? Or, we can go back to what we were tal…[Read more]

Oh, and as for the throne that Jehovah sat on in revelation…Something to consider about the book of revelation:It was written “in signs” (1:1) Jesus wanted to reveal to “his slaves” (and not the world in general) what would shortly take place. (See Mat 13:10-15)

Nick, why are the angels pictured as having wings? Do they fly around like the birds? Is that how they get around Nick? Or could it be that picturing them that way will help our limited human brains to comprehend something?No Nick, I obviously have never seen Seraphim or Cherubim. I have seen common sence and the wisdom to compare scriptures.…[Read more]

For more than 1,500 years prior to Jesus’ coming as the promised Messiah, the fleshly nation of Israel was Jehovah’s special people. Despite constant reminders, the nation as a whole proved unfaithful. When Jesus appeared, the nation rejected him. (John 1:11) Thus, Jesus told the Jewish religious leaders: “The kingdom of God will be taken from…[Read more]

Hey Nick.. I would appreciate you replying to my other comments before the following. This is my lunch break. I'll be working the rest of the day.Some scriptures that speak of people going to heaven.PHILIPPIANS 3:20“As for us, our citizenship exists in the heavens, from which place also we are eagerly waiting for a savior, the Lord Jesus C…[Read more]

John 14:2, 3: “In the house of my Father there are many abodes. Otherwise, I would have told you, because I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you home to myself, that where I am you also may be.” (Jesus here shows that his faithful apostles, to whom he…[Read more]

In the JW forum, Nick said:”I am cautious to assume agreement in any discussion because. . . .”And here, you seem to give the impression of the words in 1 Jn 3:2:”it has not appeared as yet what we will be.”So you don't know for sure, or don't want to really take a stand for any belief because that would mean you might be wrong. How convenient.So…[Read more]

I think you've been asked this before, but are you sure you weren't once a JW?I have only ever had to explain to people that believe that 'all good people go to heaven' that that is not so, that there is a future hope on the earth as well. Based on your last post in the “let thy will be done in heaven” forum, I am actually beginning to believe,…[Read more]

Even though I would prefer a comment on what I just said before moving on, I won't really have access to the internet tommorow so, a quick reply to the 24 Elders, who I presume you are speaking of when you say:”they are surely not men, but angels.”“And round about the throne there are twenty-four thrones, and upon these thrones I saw seated t…[Read more]

“Where does it say we go to heaven? Is this reverse pychology Nick?I would be more apt to answer these questions if I felt that you read over what I put down. Can we start with some basic, simple things, things we may agree on and go from there, before getting into all this revelation talk?Again, I refer you to “let thy will be done in heaven,”…[Read more]

Hey Nick,I'm more so looking for a yes or no answer to my question, rather than scriptures that talk about those who go to heaven.What I'm asking you is this, simply this:PROVERBS 2:21-22“For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. As regards the wicked, they will be c…[Read more]

The 12 tribes mentioned in Revelation chapter 7 must refer to this spiritual Israel for several valid reasons. The listing does not match that of natural Israel at Numbers chapter 1. Also Jerusalem’s temple and priesthood and all the tribal records of natural Israel were permanently destroyed, lost forever, long before John had his vision in 96 C…[Read more]

Right, so you're saying the “unsaved” who survive through armageddon will be ruled over by “rulers.” These will be subjects on earth of the heavenly rulers? Is that what you're saying?

Hi NickFirst, neither do we accept that only 144,000 will be saved, as you say.This is sort of the opposite side of the coin. I've been trying to get you to state what you believe on the same subject. But you've been rather evasive.Go to the “Let thy will take place as in heaven” forum.Consider that to be my introductory words to what are to…[Read more]

And when she's brought back to glory…Will there be people on this earth?