Actually, let's let you have the last words Nick. Nine months ago, you said this to t8:Quote Posted: Mar. 13 2005,00:53 QUOTEHi t8,I too am still searching. Do you think the beast and the false prophet are human and do you agree they spent at least 1000yrsin the lake of fire without being destroyed? Unfortunately, t8 never answered. I'm…[Read more]

“continued destruction for eternity,” Nick?Well then it's not really destruction is it?If you start destroying something now, and are still destroying it a million years from now, or a billion or a million billion, or a billion billion, or a ….. well, eternity just doesn't end does it. So neither would the destruction end. Thus, it would never…[Read more]

Thankyou Nick. I'm not sure what we would move on to. This is the hades/hell thread and we are discussing the topic of whether people are tormented in fire as punishment for their sins.So, if this is to be the last word on this scripture, I will again state the obvious:2 Thess. 1:9, RS: “They shall suffer the punishment of eternal destruction* a…[Read more]

I'm sorry, where does it say the beast and the false prophet were still around at the end of the thousand years.

Quote Eternal destruction is not instant destruction david.So if God wants to punish someone by eternally destroying them, it takes him a thousand years?

Also from t8 on the same page:Quote I cannot condone this eternal suffering in Hell doctrine. Not only is it distasteful to me, but I have yet to see it taught in scripture. I see the opposite. I see destruction of the wicked. Eternal detruction. In other words they will be destroyed and will always remain that way for all eternity.We use the word…[Read more]

Quote It truly amazes me when people say that the wicked will burn in flames forever and ever and feel every bit of it while screaming for all eternity. Then there's us who are saved and living in eternal bliss in God whilst totally ignoring this other part of God's creation that is in the most horendous torment forever. Those who preach this say…[Read more]

Quote If the bible repeatedly talks about 'destruction' of the wicked and repeatedly uses the word 'perish', then who are we to argue with that. The words of t8, May 31, 2003, in the “hell” thread.

Quote The second death is not the same as the first. It is the lake of fire. These are not my words david so do not attack me. They are the words of the bible you claim to love. I realize this Nick. The second death is eternal destruction.

So it's a slow burn?Not a very effective fire, is it?Why not just let the beast and the false prophet die from the ravages of old age?A beast and a false prophet are thrown into a lake of fire .I'm curious why you think that the beast and false prophet are still being destroyed 1000 years after being thrown into the lake of fire.Please…[Read more]

Hi person, friend.There has always been hostility toward God’s name. Satan is behind this. He would like to wipe Jehovah’s name out. God’s name definitely did originally appear in the New Testament. I’m sure the adminstrator will question this and would love to devote just that topic to a thread, but for now, I will simply say that some Bi…[Read more]

Right. Nick, what does “destruction” mean?

Quote I have seen this unusual translation of “life” as “future prospects of life” before, but only among those who have rejected the reality of the soul.In many places the word soul means “life.” (Ge 35:18; Ex 4:19; 21:23; 30:12; Jos 9:24; Jg 9:17; 12:3; 18:25; 2Ki 7:7; 2Ch 1:11; Job 2:4; 6:11; Pr 1:18; 7:23; 22:23; 25:13:Mt 6:25; 10:39; 16:25;…[Read more]

….which is the second DEATH”Death: The loss of life. If death doesn't mean the loss of life, perhaps we are using the wrong word. Perhaps all the dicitonaries in the world are wrong. Perhaps when the Bible says that the dead are “conscious of nothing at all,” it is wrong.I guess they WILL BE in there along with hades and death. Didn't you…[Read more]

Quote Nick, suppose for a second that i am right. Imagine that what this scriptures says is true:2 Thess. 1:9, RS: “They shall suffer the punishment of eternal destruction* and exclusion from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.” (*“Eternal ruin,” NAB, NE; “lost eternally,” JB; “condemn them to eternal punishment,”…[Read more]

Quote I know a person, infact he was my brother (he died a few years ago) who went crazy thinking about people burning in hell forever. (He was a young christian and he just accepted many teachings that the denominations taught). He couldn't understand why God would do such a thing. Perhaps he was more caring than most to even consider their…[Read more]

Nick, suppose for a second that i am right. Imagine that what this scriptures says is true:2 Thess. 1:9, RS: “They shall suffer the punishment of eternal destruction* and exclusion from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.” (*“Eternal ruin,” NAB, NE; “lost eternally,” JB; “condemn them to eternal punishment,” Kx; “eternal pu…[Read more]

Apparently not.

Matt. 25:46, KJ: “These shall go away into everlasting punishment : but the righteous into life eternal.” (The Emphatic Diaglott reads “cutting-off” instead of “punishment.” A footnote states: “Kolasin . . . is derived from kolazoo, which signifies, 1. To cut off; as lopping off branches of trees, to prune. 2. To restrain, to repress. . .…[Read more]

Jesus' purpose in Luke 16 was not to tell us about what hades is like–any more than his purpose was to describe Abraham's bosom, which by the way, of course is not literal.We have enough other scriptures that clearly reveal hades.We are told exactly what the lake of fire is: the second death. It is not ongoing life, but it is exactly what it…[Read more]