Quote OK kenrch,If you are so sure of what God did and that He made Adam perfect then show me the scripture that says so. You will find there are none so surely you realy should not make doctrinal statements about what is not revealed.Deut 32:4:“The Rock, perfect is his activity.” Heb., hats·Tsur´ ta·mim´ po·`oloh´; LXX, “God, true are his works”;…[Read more]

Quote So it is not wise to presume parables that God has not stated as parables.If you are referring to Luke 16, you yourself have said that you have no problem with it being a parable. What you do question is whether Jesus use of hades is literal. You seem to flip flop back and forth. It makes it hard to be wrong when you are not sure what you…[Read more]

Quote Having a friendly home made bible twisted to your doctrines seems to allow an impregnable fortress mentality to develop.I have quoted from many Bibles and when something is in question it is always good to see what many Bibles say. When one scripture is questioned, I have often quoted from 8 or 10 Bibles to show what they do in fact say.…[Read more]

Quote “The Rock, perfect is his activity,”Jehovah is unquestionably perfect. Yet when someone called Jesus “good,” didn't Jesus say no one is good except his Father? Yes, Jehovah, who's perfect, is also described as good.What does this Biblical fact tell us?Something being called good does not mean it isn't perfect.Something can be called good o…[Read more]

“The Rock, perfect is his activity,”Jehovah is unquestionably perfect. Yet when someone called Jesus “good,” didn't Jesus say no one is good except his Father? Yes, Jehovah, who's perfect, is also described as good.What does this Biblical fact tell us?Something being called good does not mean it isn't perfect.Something can be called good or v…[Read more]

Speaking of Jehovah, Moses said: “The Rock, perfect is his activity, for all his ways are justice.” (De 32:3, 4)By whose standard do we judge what is perfect? Is it not Jehovah’s?If Jehovah makes something, are we going to tell him it isn’t perfect, as though we know how to make it better? Seems somewhat arrogant. Are you willing to tell Je…[Read more]

Hi Sultan. I have more time to address your question now. I will try not to provide 'miles and miles of explanation.' I will shorten my responce to Revelation 14 only and leave Rev 20 out, which my first comment mentioned quite a bit. But I would like to say that if someone believes something, (the trinity for example) and I know of 800…[Read more]

Quote Here is a scripture that testifies of those who receive the mark of the beast, and that those who receive the mark being TORMENTED (Strongs # 929 meaning to torture) in the prescence of the holy angels, and the lamb, the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest day or night. I gave you the scripture in several…[Read more]

Right, but it is different for God to cause someone to perish (be destroyed) as you say, because they are not deserving of life, and for him to cause someone literal torture for all time.As for Sultan's comments on Torment, let's first look at the lake of fire:LAKE OF FIREThis expression occurs only in the book of Revelation and is clearly…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,That really is an awful twisted bible translation you useGen 22.18″ In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice”Yours can be made to sound as though this means all men of all nations will be blessed by God through Abraham. Of course that is not true as only a remnant is ever blessed…[Read more]

Quote Hi david”It is possible to have the Holy Spirit without being born again”Sure.But it ignores verses like”Unless you repent you will all likewise perish”How does it ignore scriptures like this?

Quote And if he said”You MUST BE born again”I think we should listen to him rather than set up rationalisations and justifications for what we have decided to accept from the bible. Ah, but this is my very point Nick. He didn't say: “You must be born again.” He said 'You must be born again to enter the kingdom.'

Quote Hi david,Are you then espousing the heresy of universalism?”All ARE saved by the work of Jesus. None can be or will be lost.”So those who are born again only have the 'advantage' of being the leaders in the kingdom.It is not an advantage Nick. It is a grand privilege. Some were privileged to write Bible books. Some were privileged to…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,Indeed a kingdom is, among other things, a “system of government”.In this context “Kingdom” is a noun and “government” is a verb. You could substitute “governing ” for government.However there is no verb substitute such as “kinging”So that does not mean you can substitute the word “kingdom” with the word “government”.A government,…[Read more]

Nick, I don't understand much of what you said. Some of it definitely isn't what we believe. Other parts of it….I'm not sure why you'd say. I would point out your mistakes, but there are just too many.What I do know is that we are discussing hades/hell.And I know that “God is love.” And I know that it's not loving by any stretch of the…[Read more]

Kenrch, here are some other things to consider:In order to gain God’s favor, must everyone must be “born again”? Not at all. Jesus’ sacrifice covers more than the 144,000 persons who have been specially chosen to be with him in the heavens. When the apostle John wrote to “born again” Christians toward the end of the first century, he said regard…[Read more]

Hi KenrchQuote David,1 Cor. 6:9-11, Now anyone who can read sees that these scriptures are speaking of the 144k. But does that mean that those of the 2nd resurrection can be like those in 1Cor. 6:9-11. Of course NOT! They must change, and don't be deceived, we can't change ourselves. We must be born again. Do you really think that you can…[Read more]

Quote You do agree that their will be humans on the new earth don't you?Until very recently, I believed Jehovah's Witnesses were about the only ones that did believe this. Yes, I believe it. But since the purpose of being born of spirit is so that those who 'enter the kingdom' can be spirit creatures in heaven, there is really no need for those…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,Mt 7.21″Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven..”Lk 17.21″”..For behold the kingdom of God is in your midst”Right, a lot of people, and I mean a lot of people who think they are born again, aren't. Not everyone saying: Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom.“REBIRTH IS RAMPANT.” Thus was headed a pre…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,No a Kingdom is not a government and I have never said it is.A Government only includes the leadership whereas a kingdom includes subjects.Such subtle sleight of hand!And this is what you said a day later.First, you say a kingdom is a system of government. I say you said it. Then you say that you never said the kingdom was a…[Read more]