I just read in this thread T8 wishing you a good Christmas.

Nick, do you celebrate Christmas?

OK, what is the difference between this thread and the other one on salvation. I wish we could pick just one and have all our discussions about one topic in that one thread. Is this the preferred thread?Nick. I believe being born again is necessary for entering the kingdom of God. (John 3:3-5)The Bible has a lot to say about salvation. We…[Read more]

Although this isn't actually a Discussion about the Bible or a Bible topic, it is about how we discuss the Bible, and hence I put it in the “Bible Discussions” section.I have seen all of the following fallacies used quite often by a number of people and I think it's important for all who use this forum to understand them.“LET no man deceive you w…[Read more]

Matt. 24:13 (RS)“He who endures to the end will be saved.”

So you believe in “once saved, always saved,” Kenrch?

Hey Woutlaw.I will answer you here. But I cannot do so now. I am presently studying the book of Daniel.

I'm uncertain as to what you are asking me Nick. If you would like to understand what we believe, please go to http://www.watchtower.org. Is that what you're asking, for our beliefs? I really am not sure what you ask.

Quote Quote (david @ Dec. 19 2005,02:58)This reasoning is extremely flawed…..So I guess according to your reasoning,….Your reasoning is false Nick.Hi david,My reading tells me the JW's rely heavily on REASON for their doctrine. Your words weem to bear this outDoes the scripture not say that 'Paul reasoned with them from the scriptures'?Nick,…[Read more]

Quote David,It's funny how you only quote part of the verse. THe text says,”And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” They have no rest day or night. Also David another error in your doctrine is the kind of body t…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,I learn. Do you? Yes, I am learning all the time. This forum has been a great help–and you in particular Nick. Thankyou. It has helped me to learn how other people think and reason. It has helped my Bible study by forcing me to look deeper into certain subjects. I too have been wrong Nick. But I'm wondering what you meant…[Read more]

Quote Of course we would like to know the NWT translation of the verse too in case this is the source of your confusion.It says: “very good,” as I have repeatedly stated.And while it is described as this, the question is: Is perfection good? Yes. How good? How many very's do you, Nick, need in front of the word “good” for it to make sense?What…[Read more]

Nick, your argument has been reduced to nothing.To say that you can't call something that is perfect “very good” is absurd. Something perfect can certainly be called very good. Or was Jesus wrong? Or is Jehovah not perfect?You have yet to answer these questions Nick. But of course you can't.You keep saying my argument is with God. Yet it is I…[Read more]

Quote You can be absolutely sure that every scriptural verse associated with this issue, is known, has been examined and reasons why it cannot be true have been formed by Jehovah's witnesses like david. That is because this issue is the basis for the original formation of the sect.While your last statement isn't really true, it is true that we…[Read more]

Quote Quite so david,I may have been wrong. You were convinced it is a parable so let's look at it.First. To whom did he speak in parables?Matt 13.3″ And he spoke many things to THEM in parables..Matt 13.11″ To YOU it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to THEM it has not been granted….Therefore I speak to THEM…[Read more]

Quote Quite so david,I may have been wrong. You were convinced it is a parable so let's look at it.First. To whom did he speak in parables?Matt 13.3″ And he spoke many things to THEM in parables..Matt 13.11″ To YOU it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to THEM it has not been granted….Therefore I speak to THEM…[Read more]

Nick, I'm supposed to tell you that Kenrch went to have a shower and will be back soon.This is funny.Kenrch. I'm pretty sure Nick could read your words as well as me.

Quote Hi david,You need to continue this argument with God because it is His words you want to deny. Nick, your argument has been reduced to nothing.To say that you can't call something that is perfect “very good” is absurd. Something perfect can certainly be called very good. Or was Jesus wrong? Or is Jehovah not perfect?Please, let's move…

I think we have gotten somewhat off topic with this: Was Adam perfect question.Everything Jehovah does is perfect. Jehovah is without flaw. His works are without flaw. We, imperfect humans cannot judge what is or is not perfect as Jehovah is the standard of perfection. Nick's arguement that the words “very good” were used has been proved to be…[Read more]

Quote The verse I showed you is towards the end of the creation of God and that creation included the creation of man in Gen1.27″ God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them”Then it says” God saw all that He had made and, behold, it was very good”So God did not choose to use the word…[Read more]