PSALM 2:2“The kings of earth take their stand And high officials themselves have massed together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one,”Whose side are you on–If God says one thing and the government the opposite?

Quote Because Jesus is Lord and the Shepherd of his sheep and as they submit to his voice they will stay or move when and where he advises. Remember when Satan “tempted” Jesus by offering him all the kingdoms (governments) of the world? Jesus didn't deny that these were Satan's to give. And what tempation would it have been if they weren't…[Read more]

I always thought the “image” of God, meant we were created with certains godly characteristics (such as love, and the power of reason, etc) that, let's say the animals for example, don't have.

Quote Even non-combatant roles (like cooks and medics) involve pledging allegiance to your country – I couldn't honestly do that when I've pledged allegiance to Christ. After all, we're supposed to be “strangers and pilgrims”.Sammo, I really don't understand them. It seems they are continually saying that they would rather make their government…[Read more]

Nick, you have yet to show me a single scripture other than the 'be in subjection to the superior authorities' one.I haven't seen a single scripture from you that says: “Christians ought to be in the armed forces.”Let's look at your one scripture in the light of other scriptures.Quote I don't know a lot about Gandhi. So let's talk about the early…[Read more]

I don't know a lot about Gandhi. So let's talk about the early Christians, and the Bible writers, and God's servants in the Bible.God’s servants have always recognized that there are limits to the subjection that they conscientiously owe to the superior authorities. About the time that Moses was born in Egypt, Pharaoh commanded two Hebrew m…[Read more]

I agree

2 PETER 2:1-3“However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on a…[Read more]

Have any of you had a parent that was killed in the war? A grandfather or great grandfather perhaps? An uncle? A brother? A cousin? Rest assured it wasn't one of Jehovah's Witnesses who killed them.Quote clamour of men's voices.Interesting way to describe scripture Nick.

ok, all the quotes above are where they should not be.

Nick's words: If If If. Now is hard enough without all the ifs men imagine. Quote Just kidding. The motto of war: Kill or be killed. Shoot first, don't ask questions. Kill. I find your scenerio a little different than actively seeking people out to kill because they live in a different country.and God reveals an opportunity to you whereby you…[Read more]

Quote You still don't get it do you David?John 12He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.Ephesians 3That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;Nothing entering into your body of flesh can touch…[Read more]

Quote Hi David,Shall we talk about some of the other differences between JWs and other Christians?Is it true that JWs do not dance because of this verse?Mar 6:22 And when the daughter of the said Herodias came in, and danced, and pleased Herod and them that sat with him, the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will…[Read more]

While no scripture says: Christians must not enter the armed forces, neither does such a scripture exist that says: Christians should enter the armed forces.Especially since the early Christians refused to engage in military action, even to the point of death to themselves, it is worth our time to find out why. Despite repeatedly saying there are…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,You say we should work these things out for ourselves? But do you let us do so?Nick, what am I doing with this subject that is different with how you deal with the trinity belief?Paul “reasoned with them from the scriptures, expaining and proving by references….” (Acts 17:2)I have a lot of scriptures that I stronlgy feel indicate…[Read more]

Thanks Nick. There were some things mentioned in this thread that I was forgetting to mention in the “christians who kill” thread.

Quote David, you are mixing defense/protection with vengeance and hatred. The motives are not the same.Yesterday, I watched in part the Frontline documentary on Rwanda again. It was definitely a dark hour orchestrated by the power of darkness. On this one occasion, the aggressors stopped a red cross vehicle in transit and killed six of the…[Read more]

“He was inculcating the principle of avoiding quarrels by not replying or reacting in kind. A slap on the cheek is not intended to injure physically but only to insult or to provoke into a fight.”This is one of those cases where you misquote. Neither I nor I'm sure anyone else on this forum is saying we should take up a sword and kill our brother…[Read more]

Quote Hi DavidQuoteIf the government were to tell you: You can't talk to others about the Bible, what would you do?I would tell whoever that they were enemies of the constitution and refuse to commit treason against the United States. OR against GODBut what if the “whoever” is the United States government itself? In some times (such as times of…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,Is this another favourite JW moral law? Fine, don't answer the question. As a doctor, I would think you would know what a pair of lungs look like and understand the pollutants that go into the body, and that are spread to other non-smokers around the smoker. And so I was using what I would have thought was an example of the fact…[Read more]