I missed a lot.Quote Ok Nick tell me how did the Nephilim survive?Somehow they (Nephilims) must have snuck aboard the ark and for forty days Noah “AND GOD” didn't realize they were in the ark. When the ark landed they snuck off then repopulated the earth with their off spring. That's how Goliath got to be a philistine.Either that or they tread…[Read more]

Quote Nick, the further you get away from Pittsburgh, the harder it is to see the cities lights. Eventually you won't see the lights at all. The same is with God's words. H, the King James is 1600 years from the original Greek. So according to what you say, the KJ must have some definite problems. It's clear that the apostasy began shortly after…[Read more]

Nick, I've been gone for a few days. I have some catching up to do and you are keeping me here in this thread. I want to answer your questions, but I want to look at the other threads too. I will catch up on this later.david.

Quote The Son claimed to be the Life and scripture says all things came to be through him. Does this include the angels in your view? Yes it does.Quote If it does does it then include him too? Not really. It doesn't have to mean that. Especially if we understand what angels are.Angels are created spirit beings. The word angel simply means…[Read more]

Quote He who is life was used to give life to all the messengers of all types and his primary role was not as a messenger but as Messiah, a vessel for the Father.I don't dispute this. But your point isn't really relevant. One of the ways he was a vessel was he role as the “Word,” or spokesman for Jehovah. He was, God's chief messenger…. his…[Read more]

Quote Men are frequently called messengers in the bible and occasionally died because of that role, and even a donkey brought a message and these are not angels surely?You are right nick. So what makes an angel an angel if it is not merely being a messenger? Well, we know the angels are spirit creatures. A donkey isn't a spirit creature. A man…[Read more]

Quote You love human reasoning too but I am sure you recognise that it does not compare with scripture in establishing what is spiritual truth.Can you show me other verses where Jesus is called in scripture a messenger as we need more witnesses to the possible one in Malachi to give any sciptural credibilty to this claim?MATTHEW 10:40““He that rec…[Read more]

Quote Hi kenrch,Other princes exist, or Michael would not be called “one of the chief princes” in Daniel.The JWs went down this path and decided Jesus was an archangel because of comparing 1 Thess 4 with John, and then since they only found one in the bible decided Jesus was Michael.Any reading of Hebrews 1-2 , where Jesus is CONTRASTED with the…[Read more]

Quote The Book of Enoch is much more detailed in that respect, and mentions Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael as archangels (among others). I believe several hundred thousands of books have been written on angels in the past 50 years. But what does God's inspired Word say? It never speaks of “archangels,” but only uses the term in the singular.

Quote Then if Michael is the only archangel then either it is Michael who is announcing Jesus in 1 Thess. or Jesus is an archangel.Wouldn't you say? Yes, that's the logical conclusion Kenrch.

Quote Is Michael the only archangel in the bible? Hi Kenrch, the word “archangel” is never used in plural in the Bible. We only find the expression, “the archangel.” And yes, Michael is the only one mentioned as being the archangel, or chief or head of the angels.

Quote Hi Nick,I think you got the wrong end of the stick.I am not denying angels, I am saying that angels can refer to cherubs and men too.Like the word god or prophet, it appears to be an office, not a race.Yes Michael is an angel (messenger), but his race is Seraph (I think), perhaps cherub.In the Old Testament, Christ is refered to as an angel…[Read more]

Quote Jesus was never an angel. Nick, “angel” simply means “messenger.” Jesus was God's chief messenger. What he spoke was not his, but belonged to the Father. He did not come of his own initiative, but the Father sent him. And he had a message.What is your definition of “angel” Nick? A spirit Son of God? A spirit creature? It seems to me…[Read more]

On that part of 1 John 5:7, the Johannine Comma, it has absolutely no right being in the KJV or any other Bible. It is a blatant attempt at tampering for the purpose of supporting the trinity belief.“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” Yet these words do not app…[Read more]

Quote PASSOVER OR EASTER?RAPTURE WATCH: On such mistranslation we are convinced concerns their use of the word “Easter” in Acts 12:4. The original word is absolutely not “Easter”, and the translators were careful everywhere else to translate it properly as “Passover”.“EASTER: PASCHA, mistranslated “Easter” in Acts 12:4. A.V., denotes the Passo…[Read more]

Excellent question Sultan. If “Easter” is the proper translation, from what Greek word is it translated?I feel strongly Sultan that you will only get silence.

Ok, i've read the hades/hell thread again, the last few pages. If I'm right, you believe that angels had sexual relations with women and this produced Nephilim, which you believe are demons?

Quote It seesms like the angels who sinned, the Sons of God , who deliberately abandoned their appointed domain to mix with man relating sexually with the women, produced the Nephilim beings based on this verse alone. But I may be wrong. But what were the Nephilim? How are they related to demons according to you?

OK, other than what I said, and the couple pages of Soxan and Nick debating whether Soxan's “pictures” of Nephilim were real, there's not a lot on here regarding Nephilim. And there's very few voices. What do others think?What are the Nepilim?Actually, I'm still confused as to what you think Nick. Could you please spell it out for me.Angels,…[Read more]

On oct 21, in the nephilim thread, Nick stated:Quote If Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light, and angels are God's servants among men,Angels are considered to be GOD'S servants. Yet, Satan has angels. Perhaps that's why we need a distinguishing word, to separate them.