Are there any manuscripts of the first seven centuries that have that verse?Do we know when that verse first appeared?Yes, it's in the KJV.But is it in THE OLDEST manuscripts?

Quote Perhaps the word means “obeisance”Quote I have always thought I was worshipping Jesus but I guess I was giving him “obesiance”. Obeisance is the word most commonly used in my Bible.

MATTHEW 18:15-17““Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, in order that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. If he does not listen to them, spe…[Read more]

Quote I have always praised, thanked, honored, kneeled, lifted holy hands while loving Jesus. Is this then wrong?One can do all these things without worshipping that person.

As Rejocying said in the JW church thread:I am studying every criticism that I hear about them. Most are unfounded and the teachings are more biblical than the accusers. I also noticed that people who know nothing of the JWs have an unexplained vehement anger toward them. This continues to amaze me.And then we have H's comment:Quote What about…[Read more]

Quote So if we use that reasoning to say that JWs are the Body of Christ, then you would also have to add the Mormons too.As I expressly explained t8, I am not really saying that this proves anthing. I am saying that all those who are not unitedly preaching the good news of God's kingdom with fellow worshippers the world over, are not carrying…[Read more]

To Heiscoming and Nick,This is me budding in,I have noticed on this thread that sometimes I have gone pages talking with someone thinking they understand what I am saying or I think I understand what they are saying (such as with Nick and myself) only to find out I don't or they don't.Due to the nature of the forum, things aren't always exactly…[Read more]

Nick, there is no question that, as Hebrews 1:4 says, “he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.”Nick, what does your Bible say at this verse?Nick, imagine that there were 50 administrators on this site, and that you've just been given a very special commision. If I said of you:…[Read more]

Quote I have begun to study with the JWs and I find that so much peace is experienced when you can see that every thing taught is supported in the word of GOD.Quote I have had so many attacks by the enemy on my life that dont make sense for someone so in to holiness as I am and seeking to know the word of GOD as I have been. For you Rejoycesing,…[Read more]

Quote more validity because of age.Well H, perhaps Nicks opinion has more validity than yours. He's older.Quote To date, there are absolutely no ancient Greek Mss (i.e. pre-7th cent) that contain 1 John 5.7.I believe that above quote, bears repeating:THE OLDEST AVAILABLE MANSUSCRIPTS DO NOT CONTAIN THIS SPURIOUS VERSE. Yes, the KJV is old. But…[Read more]

Hi Mercy,On page 14 of this thread, I list some reasons why the fact that the word proskyneo is used with reference to Jesus doesn't mean he should be worshipped.That word has severl shades of meaning.Please consider what I wrote.david

Quote However, the JW must have Jerusalem taken by Babylon in 608 BC for their prophecy to fit and every secular and archaeological sources sets that date at 586 BC.Quote In particular the whole prophecy 1914 thing they have. First, I'd like to say that the world changed in 1914. It changed in many ways. Nothing has ever been the same.I googled…[Read more]

Quote However, Mormons visit me even more often. I think you would agree that because a group faithfully follows the great comission it does not mean they are scripturally sound. I have also been approached by Ba'Hai and Wiccans.You're right. Just because a group is actively following Jesus command to preach and just because a group is fulfilling…[Read more]

Mercy:Quote I recently had a visit a JW.Heiscoming:Quote The JW come to my doorIs there any other united body of worshippers who are fullfilling the scripture:MATTHEW 24:14“And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”Quote Jesus not 'bodily' res…[Read more]

Quote My biggest struggle is between these two issues:1) Not wanting to be isolated from meeting with others who love the Lord. (though doctrinally misguided)2) Attending church where I here the word taught incorrectly. It makes me cringe and feel like I have just sinned somehow. Hi Mercy. You're right. I have stepped into the Catholic church…[Read more]

I'm sorry H. But what has Nick done? I'm still confused by this. How many times are you to forgive him? It seems you are pushing this, trying to be justified. Let God be justified. This forum is not perfect, and nor are the adminstrators. I don't see anything happening over this. As Mercy said, if we are wronged, then let us be…[Read more]

Quote We differ on this issue as I believe you can be saved even if you believe in a trinity (We've discussed this on other threads), therefore in my opinion many of those in a “church” though lacking in truth are on the right path just further behind us. HI seeking truth. You stated the above. But how can someone who doesn't even know who God…[Read more]

There are 96,000 congregations I could point you toward that are definitely not trinitarian. Actually, besides JW's, I think there are two or three other religions that do not believe in the trinity.Besides congregating together at public places of worship, we do also meet in peoples homes for what we call “book studies,” where we focuse on…[Read more]

HI t8,Not that I would use this feature a lot or even ever, as I stand behind what I say, but can I have editing rights?”just adding this line in quotations in an attempt to see how this 'editing' works.”

Quote But Jesus is more than the Wisdom of God.Obviously, Jesus, although called:“the power of God and the wisdom of God,” and also the “wisdom from God.” (1 cor 1:24,30) does not mean that:Jesus = wisdom.You obviously can't use the words interchangeably.And nor can you substitue the word “rock” for Jehovah, even though he is a few times called…[Read more]