We look ot the governing body in brooklyn in the same way that the early Christians looked to the governing body in Jersualem.The apostle wrote: “Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the word of God to you, and as you contemplate how their conduct turns out imitate their faith.” (Hebrews 13:7) To whom did Paul ref…[Read more]

Casey, I'll get back to you on your question. But I think I must have spent a lot of time in the “what is the kingdom” thread, discussing the 144,000. You may find some answers there, before I can answer you. I just got home, and have to leave for work again in 5 hours.dave

Quote Anyway, I can see this has become a sort of antogonistic thread. Nick, I don't think you can make stabs at JW's without any grounds. It seems sir that you make a poke at them without any defense and run with it, maybe in the hopes that you will pesuade someone? I do not know so I am reluctant to say. Yes, Casey, I've noticed the same…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,You are right that scripture does not say what I said.That's ok Nick. We all make mistakes.

Ah, but a minute ago, you said:”According to the Word of God in Daniel ,Jesus . . . is not Michael.”Now, you state:”If it does not state that Jesus is Michael then no one should say he is.”

What do you mean? Where does it say that “Jesus…is not Michael”?Or is it only implied? (just as other things are implied)

MATTHEW 24:14“And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”ACTS 1:8“but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de′a and Sa·mar′i·a and to the most distant part of…[Read more]

And….

Yes, but what does that have to do with your stating falsehoods about what we believe?Quote Hi david,Belief alone never saved anyone.Obedience to what belief shows us is more important.The JW's cannot save.They strive to enter the 144,000 yet none can say they are “good enough”Aren't you embarresed to use such tactics?

Quote Hi davd,Show us a scripture that says God's love is the same as human love.God's love isn't the same as human love. God's love is perfect.Show us a scripture that says it's a loving thing to torture people for all time. Logic and dictionaries and common sense tell us otherwise. So, show a scripture. When people torture people, it's bad.…[Read more]

“God is love.”That's what I believe.It's in the Bible Nick.Maybe it's the word “love” that you're having a problem with.Is “love” synonamous with “torture” of the worst kind? Does “torture” fit into any of YOUR definitions of “love.”Nick, if you think it is loving to torture people by burning them alive, please provide a scriptural reference that…[Read more]

I'd rather get back to those false accusations you keep making. You're telling me what I'm supposed to believe. I know what I believe. You have a history of misrepresenting what we believe, to suit your purposes.Why? Don't you feel bad about this?

We should really stick to the correct thread Nick, as you said. But I did not say that “all men are His children.” I only said that it's obvious that a loving parent wouldn't put her sons hand in the fire when he sinned, much less put the whole child in the fire for eternity for that sin.For those who have come to know what love and justice are,…[Read more]

Quote Why is he bowing to angels?Because an angel is very powerful creature, and one that if you suddenly saw it in it's glory, may cause you to fall to the ground. But he was corrected.Quote Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me…[Read more]

DANIEL 7:13““I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One.”“someone like a son of man.” It's not just revelation that uses that phrasology. (is that…[Read more]

Oh, you mean “doctrinal falsehoods” like:”Belief alone never saved anyone.Obedience to what belief shows us is more important.The JW's cannot save.They strive to enter the 144,000 yet none can say they are “good enough””Sorry Nick, but as I quoted from Rejocesing above, “Most are unfounded and the teachings are more biblical than the…[Read more]

It is not the Bible I find intolerable. Rather, it is you slandering God in the worst way possible, saying that he does something no loving parent would do.

Lop, you have a few times stated this:Quote Did Jesus ever say that He would kill anyones children?Jesus never talked like that…ever.Revelations never mentions the Holy Spirit…not one time.It says Spirit…but never the Holy Spirit.The end times was already prophesized. Jesus quoted from Daniel…not Revelations.Daniel 12It's not speaking of…[Read more]

What do you base these beliefs on?

Hi Nick, you wrongly state:Quote Belief alone never saved anyone.Obedience to what belief shows us is more important.The JW's cannot save.They strive to enter the 144,000 yet none can say they are “good enough”As Casey said, Nick, David's got a point. You can't speak ill of witnesses.As Rejocesing said:I am studying every criticism that I hear…[Read more]