Quote It is only the armies who surround Jerusalem that are destroyed at the return of Jesus so the survivors of the battered earth will still be there to serve the new King of Kings and his rulers. Just Jerusalem? So just jerusalem is destroyed? I always have looked at this next scripture as “crushing” and 'putting an end' to all other human…[Read more]

Nick, did you never read in the scriptures 'The stone that the builders REJECTED is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. Have you never read, 'The kingdom of God will be taken from them and given to a nation producing it's fruits?' (Mat 21:42,43)Anyway,REVELATION 5:9,10: “You were slaughtered and with your blood YOU BOUGHT PERSONS F…[Read more]

It should be mentioned that those “sealed in Christ” are said to number 144,000.REVELATION 7:4“And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:”Then there's these:2 CORINTHIANS 1:22“He has also put his seal upon us and has given us the token of what is to come,…[Read more]

REVELATION 20:4,6“And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and POWER OF JUDGING WAS GIVEN THEM. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their f…[Read more]

Notice, Kenrch, this is what I said to Nick:Quote “So this somehow says only some are holy ones?Thus these verses apply only to those holy ones and are no interest to those who miss out!”–Nick.So, I take it you have “no interest” in the scriptures that speaks of the 144,000? No interest? Yet, “all scripture is inspired of God and beneficial.”…[Read more]

Quote So which translation do we decide to accept? The 144K are chosen saints which will (if not now) have rank. So aren't they the saints and we the people of those saints?Not disagreeing with this at all.Quote Surely not every Christian fits the above description.Again, I agree.I just didn't look closely at what you were asking.As you say, not…[Read more]

Quote Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and the dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the “people of the saints” of the Most High: his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.Daniel 7:27 (New International Version)”Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the…[Read more]

Hi Casey. The “who are the people of the saints” thread in the General discussions questions have some comments by me you may or may not find interesting. I'd also like to say, your last two large posts, both of them halfway through, the quotes got messed up so that all the quotes are from you and the other words are from me. This may be…[Read more]

Quote “ saved us and called us with a holy calling, not by reason of our works, but by reason of his own purpose and undeserved kindness.” (2 Timothy 1:9) Regarding this “holy calling,” here are some other references:PHILIPPIANS 3:14“I am pursuing down toward the goal for the prize of the UPWARD CALL of God by means of Christ Jesus.”1 THESSAL…[Read more]

“ saved us and called us with a holy calling, not by reason of our works, but by reason of his own purpose and undeserved kindness.” (2 Timothy 1:9) A holy one is sanctified by virtue of Jehovah’s calling, according to the undeserved kindness of God and in harmony with His purpose.Holy ones of the Christian congregation are parties to “a new cov…[Read more]

HEBREWS 2:11“For both he who is sanctifying and those who are being sanctified all from one, and for this cause he is not ashamed to call them “brothers,””These ones who have been sancified (made holy, or held as holy) are Jesus brothers. They can be called Jesus brothers because they have been made holy. They are holy ones, clean spiritu…[Read more]

HEBREWS 6:10“For God is not unrighteous so as to forget YOUR work and the love YOU showed for his name, in that YOU have ministered to the holy ones and continue ministering.”Nick:Quote So this somehow says only some are holy ones?Nick, do you think it says everyone is a holy one? It doesn't. There are those who have God's favor because they min…[Read more]

“So this somehow says only some are holy ones?Thus these verses apply only to those holy ones and are no interest to those who miss out!”–Nick.So, I take it you have “no interest” in the scriptures that speaks of the 144,000? No interest? Yet, “all scripture is inspired of God and beneficial.” (2 tim 3:16)I've never made it seem as though some…[Read more]

I guess I'd also like to add that in the Bible they are referred to as holy ones (“Saints” in KJ and some other Bibles) WHILE THEY ARE ON EARTH. They don't have to die to be called holy ones. Peter says they must be holy because God is holy. (1Pe 1:15, 16; Le 11:44) All the spiritual brothers of Christ in the congregations are frequently called…[Read more]

I hope that helps Kenrch. I'm moving on to other subjects now.bye

Quote It is the sanctifying work of God by the Spirit and the Word that changes men who are saved and perfects them. It is a process that makes us holy to be like to the Holy one of God.Quote 1 Peter 1:15But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; It should be remembered that “holy” is just a word that…[Read more]

“HOLY ONES” MAY BE RENDERED “SAINTS” IN YOUR BIBLES (KJ and others)DANIEL 7:18“But the holy ones of the Supreme One will receive the kingdom, and they will take possession of the kingdom for time indefinite, even for time indefinite upon times indefinite.’”(HOLY ONES RECEIVE THE KINGDOM)DANIEL 7:21-22““I kept on beholding when that very horn made…[Read more]

Quote I think many people confuse the catholic view of saints with the biblical view.Agreed. That's why I think “holy ones” is a better rendering than “saints.” People have the wrong view of what saints are. No one is without sin. Saints don't have halo's. That's from paganism.The holy ones you mentioned are those who are annointed to be…[Read more]

Quote I can remember when the pastor called the congregation saints. It just didn't sit well with me then and even now! I really don't think that I belong in the same category as the apostles or even a missionary living in a mud hut for the preaching of the gospel.So these “people of the saints” are they not of the 144k?Yes, they are kenrch.…[Read more]

Quote Hi W,David's approach on this matter is to abandon any attempt at scriptural exegesis and to appeal to emotion. He seems to think we can design a God according to what niceness is.Nick, I know what the word “God” means. I know what the word “is” means. And I know what the word “love” means. And I know what it means if you put them all…[Read more]