Quote I still dont understand what the purpose of mentioning 'lake of fire', 'eternal punishment' and so on if the thought was not even in Gods mind.Child sacrifice, throwing someone alive into fire never even came into Jehovah's mind. But the “eternal punishment” of DESTRUCTION, through the lake of fire (fire being a symbol of destruction, as…[Read more]

I was attempting to use, I guess you'd call it sarcasm to show….Obviously, this in no way constitutes proof of anything, anymore than the line of reasoning found throughout this thread by those who try to connect these two scriptures.

Quote Is it all you can offer to say the warning message of scripture was false? Perhaps you missed the last page.I was actually at the end going to comment that anyone “other than Nick” should reply. Because no one other than you has really ever commented ont this. If you are tired of this matter, (and I understand how you would confuse…[Read more]

I'd like some comments on this scripture:Jer. 7:31: “They have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.” If it never came into God’s heart, surely he does not have and use s…[Read more]

JOHN 8:12-30“Therefore Jesus spoke again to them, saying: “I am the light of the world. He that follows me will by no means walk in darkness, but will possess the light of life.” Hence the Pharisees said to him: “You bear witness about yourself; your witness is not true.” In answer Jesus said to them: “Even if I do bear witness about myself, my…[Read more]

Quote Jesus did not say Before Abraham was, I have been. The Jehovah,s Witnesses distort the words of Jesus in their Watchtower NWT bible because they go against Watchtower teachings.And nor CB, did Jesus say the English words: “I am.” Jesus was asked a question: Are you Jesus? His answer would seem to be clear to most children. “I am.”The…[Read more]

Forget the “”You'll notice that word was added. I might have gotten it wrong.This is what it actually said: “ἁρπάζω”Anyway, are you saying this reference work is wrong, then?

Quote You submitted it David, don't you understand the material that you yourself quoted?Yes, I understand it. But you say it is wrong. It is talking about Phil 2:6 though. So what gives?

No, I read it, (although I do find it saves vast amounts of time to not read most of what you write.)Quote If, however, you interpret it as a 'relinquishing of the equality' (functional, not ontological) that He had intrinsically to take on the form (Gr. morphe) of a bond servant then that is much more I'm not fond of your inability to communicate…[Read more]

So what was the Expositor's Greek Testament talking about then?

Question: What exactly are you saying that Phil 2:6 proves?

Quote Well the Father is greater, in authority/position/rank. No one is arguing this. If by “greater” you mean higher in the nature of His being…then by all means David – bring forth the evidence. so are you saying that Phil 2:6 is talking about “authority/position/rank” and is therefore in no way proving what you claim?Case closed.

The Expositor’s Greek Testament says: “We cannot find any passage where or any of its derivatives has the sense of ‘holding in possession,’ ‘retaining’. It seems invariably to mean ‘seize,’ ‘snatch violently’. Thus it is not permissible to glide from the true sense ‘grasp at’ into one which is totally different, ‘hold fast.’”—(Grand Rapids, Mi…[Read more]

Verse 5 counsels Christians to imitate Christ in the matter here being discussed.

Quote “, who, although (formerly when he was ) bore the form (in which he appeared to the inhabitants of heaven) of God (the sovereign, opposite to), yet did not think that this equality with God was to be eagerly clung to or retained” (p. 418, Col. b).“The Father is greater than I am.”–The bible.That doesn't sound like they're equal. And if…[Read more]

Quote Talk with the Author.He will only preserve what is sanctified.–Nick”preserve”: continue: keep or maintain in unaltered condition; cause to remain or last.Yes Nick, the wicked will not remain or last. They will perish.

Just looking back a few pages and would like to revist a thought:2 Thess. 1:9, RS: “They shall suffer the punishment of eternal destruction* and exclusion from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.” (*“Eternal ruin,” NAB, NE; “lost eternally,” JB; “condemn them to eternal punishment,” Kx; “eternal punishment in destruction,”…[Read more]

Quote Hi WIT,Some good thought there.More like a siege than commando warfare?My suggestion is that no one scripture can be used as a proofbut it must have two supporting witnessing verses.Nick, are you willing to listen to your own words? Quote Hi david,So is God so loving that the lake of fire idea has been canned? Nick, it is sometimes the…[Read more]

Quote Hi Tim,Thanks.You see the point.We need some sound proofs not emotional or logical derivations.If you are going to state doctrines then you must do so from what is written in scripture.To say God is nice and would not allow anything horrible to happen is appealing to logic and emotional resources and not resorting to a scriptural base.It is…[Read more]

You know, most Canadians don't say “Eh.” Or “aboot.” People in Newfoundland say Abooot. Some Canadians say “eh.” Canada is a big place. Newfoundland for example, you'd swear they speak another language.