Quote If you add the word “other” to Colossians 1:16-17 then writer's plain conveyance is blatantly violated. If you are a trinitarian it is “violated.”If you're just a guy reading a book who understands normal logic, it has to have that word “other.”(I should mention that in our Bible, the word “other” is in paranthesis, so you can tell it's not…[Read more]

Quote Oh sheesh I forgot about the memorial. It was Last Nite for me. But now that i think about it I wouldnt have been able to go due to the TV programs that were on Is that supposed to be funny?

Quote You call being helped to understand where you are being deceived persecution?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jehovah's_WitnessesIn the United States in the late 1930s and into 1940, especially during wartime, mob violence against Jehovah's Witnesses became rampant. On June 16, 1940, the United States attorney general, Francis…[Read more]

Quote David – thank you for the PM and for the extensive information regarding Michael/Jesus. I will print it off, and give it some thought over the next few weeks. I'm glad to know that I have a resource here (in you), to better understand the JW's. As I said before, these two ladies that come to my door have become dear friends. They have…[Read more]

Why is this in the JW thread. there are many many trinity threads.

Is 1:18, can you explain to our friend what the word “proskyneo” means and how it simply means in it's most basic form “to bow down” and may or may not imply worship. Can you please explain that to him.thanks.

I'm curious to know why other groups are objects of hatred “by all the nations.”I know that people dislike JW's for a variety of reasons. I'm curious to know why other groups are persecuted or looked down on.

Quote Neither of these words are found in Colossians 1:16-17 in the original NT manuscripts. Sometimes that word “other” is definitely meant when it is not there, and there are several Bibles that recognize this and insert that word “other” where necessary.(Translating Greek into English is not always a word for word process, as you know.)Check…[Read more]

So Cult Buster have you solved the da vinci code yet, whatever that is? Because you seem to think these hidden messages where people use ordinary words to convey normal simple language are hidden messages. Tell us, what other hidden messages have you found?

Quote If you breach the rules, you lose. That's the reality.–Is 1:18I don't really understand this. T8 loses what exactly? Does this mean that you think that you have “proven” anything? Question, isn't the truth more important than the actual debate, or the rules of the debate. This all seems sort of childish. I know there were rules. But…[Read more]

Hi Jeremy. As you can see, JW's aren't the only ones that realize that the trinity is a part of apostate thinking, which took several hundred years to formalize. Jesus and Paul apparently were completely unfamiliar with the trinity, as they make no mention of it.Anyway, I believe you asked about Jesus being a created being.Col. 1:15, 16, RS:…[Read more]

Quote T8,Just to be clear, this thread is now more of a discussion thread than a debate thread to me, as it is now 20+ pages, has a random cast of participants, and has gone off topic many times already. Personally, I would put this thread back in the discussion area.I agree. I was uncertain whether I was allowed to post or not, but it seemed it…[Read more]

Quote David,I do not live in the USA.Really? I was sure you did. Where do you live? I think it was because of the sports you mentioned.Quote Hi david,There is no group membership entry possible into the body of Christ.All must apply one at a time, alone.Of cousre everyone is responsible for themselves. But God has had a people throughout…[Read more]

Of course, many of these are wrong and made up, and of course created by “former” JW's who may or may not have been removed and are now resentful.I particularly wondered where in the world some of these statements came from, such as:63. You cannot wear jade jewelry# 63 is just odd to me.A point you mentioned was:Quote -The Holy Spirit is only for…[Read more]

I'm sorry Phoenix, but you are being lied to:Quote Quote What resulted was just what the WT wanted all along I suppose, an extremely biased paraphrase, doctored to endorse WT doctrines.Isaiah 'supposes' wrong. JW's have a history of making changes or alterations in their beliefs when the Bible shows that past beliefs weren't quite correct. If we…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,More chest beating? Yes, I'm sure they were beaten all over, including the chest.

Quote David, the assumptions were predicated on t8's understanding of the word 'theos' in John 1:1c, as outlined in his writing “Who is Jesus”. If you read the rebuttal carefully you will see this. I'll go back and read it, but regardless of what T8 said, your use of the word “god” isn't Biblical and your use of the word “true” in contrast with…[Read more]

Based on the Bible and the meaning of “god,” you are wrong Is 1:18.Because if what you say is true, then the angels are false gods (mighty ones). The judges of Israel who were called gods (mighty ones) weren't really mighty ones.And Satan who is called a god (mighty one) isn't really mighty or powerful at all. (Of course, compared to Jehovah, he…[Read more]

And it is this:Quote but there is only One ”true” God – then Yeshua is, by default, a false god.. Looked at objectively, no other conclusion is acceptable.

Quote # Were the apostles self declared “bond servants” to the One true God, as well as a false one (Acts 16:7, Romans 1:1, Titus, James 1:1)?# Did two beings, the True God and a false one, eternally co-exist in intimate fellowship “in the beginning” (John 1:1b)?# Did the True God along with a false one bring “all things” into existence (…[Read more]