Quote David,This is the John 8:58 thread. In John 8:58, the Jews tried to stone him. I'd say that's relevant.In any event, we know why the Jews tried to stone him. “For blasphemy. And because You, being a man, make Yourself out God.” -John 10:33. I know it's another chapter, but do you really think the Jews came up with a different reason…[Read more]

Psalm 97:7 (New International Version)All who worship images are put to shame,those who boast in idols— worship him, all you gods!Psalm 97:7 (New American Standard Bible)Let all those be ashamed who serve (A)graven images, Who boast themselves of (B)idols; ÂWorship Him, all you gods. Psalm 97:7 (Amplified Bible)Let all those be put to shame w…[Read more]

I'm sorry, what does that scripture say?

Quote Well, David, some times it obviously does mean worship, as in Hebrews 1:6. So then it clearly means that Jesus is God.Could you please explain why it is “obvious” to you that this is the case?It's not obvious to all Bible translators, for example:“let them bow before him.” (YLT) “pay homage to.” (NEB)

Quote David,So the Jews tried to stone Him for claiming to be the Messiah?Yes. Definitely.If you claimed to be the Messiah, there are certain countries that would stone you.Other countries, you'd be put in certain institutions. Other countries, beat up, etc.So, yes, without question.But, there are other threads were this could be discussed.

Quote So I will concede that it can mean to kneel before a king or to show respect. But it obviously also can mean worship, and as Revelation 22:9 says, worship that belongs to God alone.Right, and so it is a very week argument to say that Jesus is worshiped, when one understands that that is simply how the translator of that Bible decided to…[Read more]

Quote The same word “proskuneo” is applied to the Father also, does that mean they were not worshipping the Father?No, obviously not. But I never said this, did I? What I DID SAY is that that word is also applied to humans and it's used at other places where “worship” is obviously not what the Bible is referring to. (See Mark 15:19)Quote This is…[Read more]

Adam says:There is absolutely no connection between Exo 3.14 & John 8.58. The simplest proof of this is to look at the Greek of Exo 3.14 in the LXX. that is, the Septuagint, which is the Hebrew scriptures translated into Greek.He says:Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, ego eimi ho ohn: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,…[Read more]

Adam Pastor, first page of this thread, said:Concerning “I am” …(John 9:8-9) The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged? 9 Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.The same Greek ego eimi as in John 8.58, etc!There is absolutely no…[Read more]

Quote The KJV I believe is one of the better translations available, though I use several.So you would agree with it when it says at Ps 83:18 that “Jehovah” alone is the most high?If you so fondly cling to the KJV and it says that Jehovah is the most high, I'm curious why you are not telling others this? Also, I asked:I have a question CB.…[Read more]

Here is the thread.SHOULD WE “WORSHIP” JESUS?RSV = Revised Standard VersionNIV = New International VersionNASB = New American Standard BibleNEB = New English BibleYLT = Young’s Literal TranslationNW = New World TranslationKJV = King James VersionJB = Jerusalem BibleTEV = Good News Bible-Today’s English VersionTHE HEBREW AND GREEK WORDS THAT AR…[Read more]

Quote I do know that the same Greek word is used in Hebrews 1:6 and Revelation 22:9. Yes, it is the exact same greek word, and that word has a few meanings, of which the translator based on his bias or based on his understanding of the rest of the scripatures has to determine which way to translate it. Yes, they are exactly the same word in…[Read more]

Quote I do know that the same Greek word is used in Hebrews 1:6 and Revelation 22:9. I also know that Hebrews 1:6 is quoting Psalm 97:7, which is definitely telling us to worship YHWH.Please show me where proskunein is used with reference to someone other than YHWH.I have spent a lot of time with the word proskyneo and it's hebrew equivalent.…[Read more]

Quote He's also the God we're called to worship (Hebrews 1:6) (proskunein, which in Rev 22:9 we're told only to do to God). I don't know how many other gods you can say that about.Tim 2, there is a thread about worship.But, simply put, the word proskyneo is applied to humans as well as Jesus and God and simply in it's most basic meaning, conveys…[Read more]

Quote He's also God over creation (Romans 9:5). Don't know how many other gods you can say that about.Ro 9:5—Gr., καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων, θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας· ἀμήν(kai ex hon ho khri·stos′ to ka·ta′ sar′ka, ho on e·pi′ pan′ton, The·os′ eu·lo·ge·tos′ eis tous ai·o′nas; a·men′)1934 “and from whom by physical…[Read more]

Quote Jealous means: -we shall not worship or serve other gods,Right. While on earth, Jesus said to worship his Father. He continually directed attention and worship to his Father.But his Father has appointed Jesus as our judge, along with the holy ones.So, our being told that he is coming in no way detracts from Jehovah. Jesus is Jehovah's…[Read more]

Quote YHWH wants every knee to bow to Him -Isaiah 45:23. You don't think YHWH would be jealous by us bowing the knee to someone else?First, how do you define “jealousy” with reference to Jehovah?

I feel very strongly people don't understand the word “God.” We have to look at every way that the Bible uses that word to understand it. Certain references seem to indicate that the word “god” means “mighty or strong or powerful one.”Hence, the Israelite judges were mighty compared to the other Israelites.The angels are mighty ones (gods)…[Read more]

As T8 indicated, everlasting life is mentioned in the Bible as a gift for those who are deserving. It's not something everyone just has. There is no immortal soul. If there were, there would be no need for the resurrection.So what of T8's comment.

Quote 1=1 or 3=3 how do you get 1=3?A certain pope called it a “mystery.” A mystery indeed, even to the Bible writers, who apparently forgot to mention it.