Quote when YHWH says that there is no other Savior besides Him? I think you are confused:Jude 25 shows the relationship, saying: “God, our Savior THROUGH Jesus Christ our Lord.” (See also Acts 13:23.) So please don't tell me this again. It's a distortion of truth. Jude 25 clears up your problems with understanding this. It shows us how God…[Read more]

Repeatedly, even following Jesus’ ascension to heaven, the Scriptures refer to the Father as “the God” of Jesus Christ. At John 20:17, following Jesus’ resurrection, he himself spoke of the Father as “my God.” Later, when in heaven, as recorded at Revelation 3:12, he again used the same expression. But never in the Bible is the Father reported to…[Read more]

I find it somewhat remarkable that anyone would base their beliefs on what the ones who were blind and pitiful and wanted Jesus to be killed believed.Clearly, their beliefs were wrong.Would it not be better to accept Jesus words of correction?

Quote David,Sorry if my response wasn't clear. I thought I pointed out directly that the Jews did accuse Jesus of being God in John 10:33, and that John 5:18 shows that Jesus being God's Son means that He is equal to God. (John 10:33) “The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy, even because you, alt…[Read more]

Quote In general, God means YHWH.No, not at all.”In general” “God” is applied to YHWH.This is the mistake so many make.It's meaning isn't YHWH.That's just wrong. Just wrong. Not right at all, and completely incorrect in every way. It's not provable or right. It's the opposite of right.The meaning of “God” isn't YHWH. But God is applied to…[Read more]

Quote Tim2, men wouldn't believe in the Trinity doctrine if they understood the difference between nature and identity.In identity, the Most High God is exclusively the Father.In nature and authority there are many gods.You make the classic mistake of taking any mention of the word “God” and think it is the Most High. But both 'theos' and 'elohim'…[Read more]

Quote But the whole point of Trinitarianism is that the Son of God is God (just as the son of man is man, the son of a dog is a dog, and so on in all creation). –Tim 2, page 9Tim2, This is what I said and your response or lack thereof:Quote Quote (david @ April 10 2007,19:48)I ask this again because I think it belongs here and because no one has…[Read more]

Quote No man can ransom another.Jesus was a perfect human.He was born without any blemish of sin and he maintained that perfection throughout his life. “He committed no sin.” He was “undefiled, separated from the sinners.”—1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 7:26.Ps. 49:6-9: “Those who are trusting in their means of maintenance, and who keep boasting about the a…[Read more]

I ask this again because I think it belongs here and because no one has really attempted to answer it to any significant extent:JOHN 19:7“The Jews answered him: “We have a law, and according to the law he ought to die, because he made himself God’s son.””If these people wanted him dead (as they clearly did) and if they were willing to do anything…[Read more]

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and throug…[Read more]

Quote Many Americans and Canadians come here and you are certainly welcome. Please don't lump us (Canadians) in with them!This was also a joke.

“Father, . . . this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:1-3)NE reads “who alone art truly God.” He cannot be “the only true God,” the one “who alone truly God,” if there are two others who are God to the same degree as he is, can he? Any others referred to as “gods” must be…[Read more]

How often is Jesus called the “son of God” or even the “son” meaning the son of God?He's called the “son of God” about 40 times and “God's son” about 8 times.These occurances would seem to suggest….no, they tell us that Jesus is related to God in a certain way and therefore, not God himself.More specifically, he is the “Son of” God, and hence,…[Read more]

I'll post this one more time, Cult Buster. Please answer it:”If we don't know what the word “god” means then we don't know what it means when it says that Jesus is God.No one seems to want to touch the question of what that word means except for Tim2 who keeps repeating that “God” means YHWH which of course it doesn't. Substitute “YHWH” in every…[Read more]

Quote You tell lies again David. I was discussing with you and then you ran away.–Cult BusterPLeeeeeeeeaaaaase!!!!! I spent pages begging you to disucss that subject with me.Your responce was that you are a busy guy. Do you want me to find that for you?You are ridiculous. I'm sorry, but you are. You actually can't have “conversations” with…[Read more]

Quote but do you agree that these clear statements are made:There is only one God. We cannot worship or serve any other god. The Father is God. The name of the Father is the name of God. The name of the Father is the name of the Son and the Spirit. The Son is God. The Father and the Son are one. (One what?) The Spirit is God.

Quote No man can ransom another.What is a ransom?Isn't it the price paid that equals what is lost?It was Adam (a perfect man) that sinned and lost us perfection. (Rom 5:12)It would take a perfect man, Jesus who “became flesh” and was truly man, yet perfect, because of his special conception that would be needed to pay this ransom.If God paid it,…[Read more]

Quote Look again! How can anyone miss it?I am pretty certain people can miss it CB because it's in the Bible 1500 times and most people assume that when Jesus says it, it means what it always means, the same that it means when we have used it hundreds or thousands of times on this forum.

As to the “keys of the kingdom of the heavens,” its meaning becomes obvious when considering the reprimand Jesus issued to the religious leaders: “You took away the key of knowledge; you yourselves did not go in, and those going in you hindered!” (Luke 11:52) Matthew 23:13 further explains “go in” as indicating entrance into “the kingdom of th…[Read more]

Jesus has “the key of David.” Using it, he “opens so that no one will shut, and shuts so that no one opens.” What is this “key of David”?It was with King David of Israel that Jehovah made a covenant for an everlasting kingdom. (Psalm 89:1-4, 34-37) David’s house ruled from Jehovah’s throne in Jerusalem from 1070 to 607 B.C.E., but then God’s judg…[Read more]