Quote What about the women “crying out” in the country? Isn't someone supposed to save her? (Deuteronomy 22:23-27) ““In case there happened to be a virgin girl engaged to a man, and a man actually found her in the city and lay down with her, 24 YOU must also bring them both out to the gate of that city and pelt them with stones, and they mus…[Read more]

MARK 13:32““Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.”(Acts 1:6-7) “When, now, they had assembled, they went asking him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” 7 He said to them: “It does not belong to YOU to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Fat…[Read more]

T8, I was wondering if you could or should make it so that when you click on a thread, it takes you to the last page of that thread instead of the first page. I imagine most on here go to the end and if they missed a page or two trace their steps backwards, not from the start. Having it take you to the first page automatically would be good for…[Read more]

Quote I would also be careful, David, about declaring that the Son does not know certain things. I'm declaring nothing. The Bible very simply extremely clearly said that at that time, the Son, nor the angels didn't know the hour, only the Father knw.

Quote Where does it say the Holy Spirit doesn't know?–Tim2, page 2.MARK 13:32““Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.”“Nobody knows” it says “but the Father.”It also adds that “neither the angels in heaven nor the Son” but only the Father.So we have Jesus, the Son, and the Fathe…[Read more]

Heb. 9:24: “Christ entered . . . into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.”

I've only had that thought about 500 times. I worship one God, Jehovah. Jesus directed worship to Jehovah, “HIS GOD.”This is who I worship, the one whom Jesus directed us to worship, his Father and “his God.”Yet, they worship many Gods, three to be exact. Yet, if anyone noticed this, it would clearly be polytheism. Let's just make up some…[Read more]

Just to bring this conversation back to it's subject:“I have existed before Abraham was born.”“I existed before Abraham was born.”“Before Abraham came to be, I was.”“Before there was an Abraham, I was already there!”“Before Abraham was born, I was.”“Before Abraham existed, I was.” EXODUS 3:14“I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.” Heb.,…[Read more]

Quote I wrote that Jesus prayed for the persons of His church to be one body and spirit with Him, just as the persons of the Trinity are one God.So you believe that Jesus and his Church are “one” “just as” the persons of the trinity are one? Yes?Yet you use this as proof of the trinity, when clearly if Jesus and Jehovah are “one” in the same…[Read more]

Is 1:18, what is your take on this scripture:JOHN 17:21-22“in order that they may all be one , JUST AS YOU, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth. Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, IN ORDER THAT THEY MAY B…[Read more]

What does this passage actually say?What doesn't it say?And why are your texts on your side always so ambiguous?

Hi Kyle. I also just recently became aware the the latter day saints are only a group of mormons. I thought the terms were interchangeable.Are there only the two groups–Mormons and latter day saints who are a branch of mormons?

Quote As for your other points, they are basically: “God” doesn't mean God, “One” doesn't mean one, and “Worship” doesn't mean worship. Ah, so you've chosen to be ridiculous. Interesting strategy. Of course, this is absurd. “one” means one. But notice how it is used in scripture. “Just as” Jehovah and Jesus are one (in that same way) Jesus…[Read more]

Quote Do you know where we can read its text in full? But I offer the Catholic Encyclopedia, which is explicit in its affirmation of the Athanasian creed, and offers this explanation of the Holy Spirit: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07409a.htmI'm sure you can find it on the web somewhere. That's where I did. I don't seem to have links to…[Read more]

Quote He gave up his power as God when he left heaven and took on the form of a servant!Did he remain fully God when he “gave up his power as God”?Doesn't being God mean you have lots of power? In Hebrew, that's what Elohim means, anyway.TheBible says he “BECAME flesh.”I actually physically have to go to sleep now.

Quote While it is tempting to see Proverbs 8 the Word I would agree that it would be unlikely and speculative especially in view of the fact that God's precious wisdom is infused in all creation, but Christ is not. 1. God's wisdom is infused in all creation.2. Christ is not infused in all creation.3. Therefore, Christ cannot be personified as…[Read more]

Quote Love is not literally God.Right. And Jesus is not literally wisdom.Another good point. I'll have to add it to my file. Thankyou.

Quote Was Jesus a female?The scriptures you refer to is speaking of wisdom personified not Jesus.. . . .Unless you believe he is female or the wife of God! And then:”Is Jesus your sister?”Quote And because of the female gender.All I'm saying now, and have been saying (not really looking at the whole argument) is that you can't use the female…[Read more]

Quote The Father and the Son are one. John 10:30.Yes, and at John 17:21, 22, Jesus prayed regarding his followers: “That they may all be one,” and he added, “that they may be one even as we are one.” He used the same Greek word (hen) for “one” in all these instances. Obviously, Jesus’ disciples do not all become part of the Trinity. But they do c…[Read more]

Quote QuoteJesus is a man. Of course he received authority and power from God. But He's also God. John 20:28.So, befor he was given this authority and power, how much authority and power did he have?did he have an equal amount of authority and power with his Father, and his God, Jehovah?And if he did, does this mean that after he was given this…[Read more]