Historian Durant sought to examine the Gospel accounts from a purely objective standpoint—as historical documents. Though he says that there are seeming contradictions in them, he concludes:“The contradictions are of minutiae , not substance; in essentials the synoptic gospels agree remarkably well, and form a consistent portrait of Chr…[Read more]

Quote David,Love your “tag” scripture!Everyone….take notice of what it says as it is a warning to us all.Thanks, brother!Mandy “Let no man deceive you with empty words….”–Eph 5:6That is largely what I'm trying not to let happen on this thread. It's very easy to say a lot, to spit out as much as you can, without consideration. But I want to…[Read more]

Quote Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,21:28)You asked if I was going to be addressing the contradictions. I suppose you mean the list above of non-contradictions.Quote1) Matthew has guards, an earthquake, and the women meeting the angel outside of the tomb. The guards and women are scared by the angel and the earthquake. The other gospels do not have…[Read more]

Quote Not the 'they didn't say it didn't happen' argument! I was wondering when this ploy would be used.It's extraordinarily odd that you were “wondering” when this argument was going to happen, as I've mentioned it twice before with reference to your #1.Quote By you same logic Jesus never says he is not the a person of a triune god nor does he…[Read more]

Quote Wherever do you get the erroneous idea that the 'son of man' is the Moshiach? Because Jesus calls himself 'Son of man'? The prophecy of the coming of the Son of man into the presence of the Ancient of Days, Jehovah God, clearly applies to an individual, the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The evidence is that it was so understood by the Jewish…[Read more]

DANIEL 7:14“And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin.”

Quote Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. Still, this kingdom must be given to him who has the legal right:EZEKIEL 21:26-27“this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. This will not be the same. Put on high eve…[Read more]

Quote Why should it? G-d is G-d. Man made the mistakes, not G-d. But G-d was not responsible for the mish mash that is the New testament.OK, I now understand what you're saying. Disregard my other comments about the Hebrew scriptures not/contradicting each other.You know what, you like quoting Daniel and from the Hebrew scriptures. Let's…[Read more]

Quote Because the contradiction found in the Jewish scriptures are likely copying errors. The contradictions found in the Christian bible are due to the gross incompetence (or intentionality) of the writers. I have listed the contradictions in the resurrection and you've yet to address them.OK, I've addressed them again. They aren't…[Read more]

Quote No contradictions? Surely you jest. I don't have time but I can find many for you.OK, show me where the Hebrew scriptures contradict each other.And then, go on to explain what this means–apparently that they are not inspired of God, that nothing in them can be trustworthy, and that, much like everything you say about Jesus, you might as…[Read more]

Quote If you look at the original text it is yet another instance of moshiach or 'anointed'. There was to be nothing particularly special about the moshiach of this time. He was not THE Messiah. Many kings and priests were called 'moshiach' in the Jewish scriptures.Let's look at the account:How did this Messiah “terminate transgression” in your…[Read more]

Quote So here are the glaring contradictions1) Matthew has guards, an earthquake, and the women meeting the angel outside of the tomb. The guards and women are scared by the angel and the earthquake. The other gospels do not have these things2) Mark has the women leaving, saying nothing to anyone.3) Women, including Mary M. meet Jesus on the way…[Read more]

Quote Only G-d knows when the true Messiah will come. Read Ezekiel 37-38 to get a real idea of the condition of the world when the Messiah comes.The prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures showed the Messiah as coming in two different roles. One was “humble, and riding upon an ass,” whereas the other was “with the clouds of the heavens” to annihil…[Read more]

Quote Only G-d knows when the true Messiah will come. Check Daniel. God told us when “Messiah the leader” would appear. This is why the Jews were in “expectation” at that time.Quote I know the Jewish bible has them too but they are not so evident as the ones in the gospels or even the rest of the Christian bible.Wrong, the Hebrew scriptures do…[Read more]

Quote not used thousands of time in any modern Jewish translation.But they are used in older Jewish translations, aren't they? I could provide a list if you like.Why the change?

Quote Actually the words are not used thousands of time in any modern Jewish translation. You are referring to Christian translations. 'Jehovah' likewise is never a name Jews would use.You can call it superstition if you like. We call it respect. aCTUALLY, towshab, you CALLED It “superstition.” You said It is “superstition in many ways.” Yes, I…[Read more]

Quote This is funny. Since the record books do not mention Jesus why would they mention those who oppose him?So, what you're suggesting is that someone created a complete fantasy, and no one really questioned it until a hundred years ago, or so?

Quote Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.That word 'proskyneo' is used here. So I guess Jesus is saying that people will merely honor their 'god the father'.Again, please read more closely. You are grossly misrepreseting…[Read more]

Quote I can see how Christians feel about their 'god the father' then if 'proskyneo' does not mean worship as you say it doesn't.I didn't say that TOWSHAB.I said:The word “proskyneo” DOESN'T HAVE TO MEAN WORSHIP. In fact, “worship” is not it's primary meaning.And here is all I said below. I don't see anywhere where I said that it doesn't EVER…[Read more]

Quote According to the Hebrew scriptures, the Messiah must meet the following conditions:1 – Be the “seed of the woman” that would bruise the serpent's heel (Genesis 3:15, Galations 4:4, 1 John 3:8)2 – Be the “seed of Abraham” (Genesis 12:3, Matthew 1:1, Acts 3:25, 18:18,22,18, Gal. 3:16).3 – Be the “seed of Isaac” (Genesis 17:19, 21:12, Matthew…[Read more]