If you're talking about that monkey with the head of a human, you're right. I sure wouldn't want that to fall on me!Although references to Jesus Christ by early secular historians are meager, such references do exist. Cornelius Tacitus, a respected first-century Roman historian, wrote: “The name is derived from Christ, whom the procurator P…[Read more]

I guess this isn't a trivia question. But it is trivial. Yet, thought provoking.TITUS 1:12-13“A certain one of them, their own prophet, said: “Cre′tans are always liars, injurious wild beasts, unemployed gluttons.” This witness is true.”The question: Are Cretans always liars?Tricky.

1 sam 17:40..I was right! Lucky.

Quote Quote How many stones did David have prepared for his duel with Goliath?1) 12) 33) 54) 7 That is a hard one. I don't think it was one or three. I'm tempted to say seven, but to me, that seems too obvious. I don't know. 5? I'll go check.

Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2007,19:12)Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2007,14:39)On the contrary, the fact that we have as much information as we do about Jesus from non-Christian sources is amazing in itself.David doesn't the rest of your post directly contradict this claim? StuartSorry stu. No, not really. The rest of my post explains why we would expect to…[Read more]

Quote Who cares if he existed?Well, for one, the Jews seem to care.So, Towshab apparently has no proof that Gamaliel existed. Does anyone else?

Do you have any HARD questions?

Of course. But….you don't have one….so,we still can't prove he existed, at least there is no credible proof (the same sort of proof we require of Jesus existence.)

I expect, that this thread will largely be ignored, and then forgotten. It's not that interesting talking about someone who didn't even exist.

Anyway, the challenge is on: Prove that Gamaliel is a real person.

I'd like to state for the record that I'm using some false reasoning in the first post, to make a point.

Of course, this thread is in response to this idea:“If Jesus existed, we should have heard a lot more about him from historical sources outside the Christian scriptures.”On the contrary, the fact that we have as much information as we do about Jesus from non-Christian sources is amazing in itself. 1. As far as the historians of the day were con…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,Yes some were historical. The 'day of YHVH' merely means a day of great judgment and it has happened many times throughout history. By saying it is 'near', the prophets (and G-d) were driving the present generation, the listeners, to action to get their lives in order. What would happen to them if they all said 'the Day of YHVH is…[Read more]

Quote Hello again, David -Thanks for your concern. I believe I will take your advice and move on to other threads…..My health has been a bit curious lately. It is believed that I may have a brain tumor. I am extremely sorry to hear about your health, Mandy. You should know and understand that we should in no way be taking towshab serious,…[Read more]

Towshab, you have several times mocked Jesus statement about coming quickly.I wonder how you feel about the many Hebrew scriptures that say the Day of Jehovah is near. JOEL 1:15““Alas for the day; because the day of Jehovah is near, and like a despoiling from the Almighty One it will come!”JOEL 2:1““Blow a horn in Zion, O men, and shout a war cry…[Read more]

Quote David,What makes anyone fall away from the faith? faith.What causes lack of faith? Doubt, deception, a thing called worldly wisdom, and pride. These favorite tools of the enemy are quite handy for getting the job done in people who are weak in body and/or in spirit (lately I am counted among these).Mandy! Leave this place. Your…[Read more]

Quote QuoteThey had made a covenant with Jehovah. A covenant is an agreement. The terms of the Law covenant were that if the Israelites kept the covenant they would be a people for the name of Jehovah, a kingdom of priests and a holy nation, with His blessing (Ex 19:5, 6; De 28:1-14)The book of Judges testifies that they repeatedly turned away…[Read more]

Quote Back then, as today, the Messiah is a big deal. Quote Only among Christians.So what changed with the Jewish view then? were they wrong for thousands of years?What exactly is your view of the messiah? What has the view been of the Messiah among Jews for thousands of years? And why the change?

Quote Since the gospels were written after 70 AD this is a bogus assumption.I'm really not clear why you keep making this assertion. John's account was written much after 70 C.E.The rest, well before. None of the gospels mention the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 CE This is significant because Jesus had prophesied concerning the temple,…[Read more]

Quote Most scholars agree that the earliest date for the gospels was 70 AD. I just find it interesting that towshab instead of using the more familiar more used 70 C.E. (Common Era) he uses 70 AD (anno domino–Latin for: In the year of the lord)