Quote Wars have been, and could in the future be started as a result.–stuYa, eventually the U.N. will ban religion, because of this. It will be shortly after this that they will think they have achieved peace and security.

“Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” (Matthew 24:3; Mark 13:1-4)The destruction of Jerusalem’s temple and the end of the Jewish system of things were not the same as the time of Christ’s presence and of the conclusion of the whole world system of things.…[Read more]

Note that Matthew 24:29-31 foretells that (1) the Son of man comes, (2) this coming will be with great glory, (3) the angels will be with him, and (4) all the tribes of the earth will see him. Jesus repeats these elements in the parable of the sheep and the goats. (Matthew 25:31-46) Hence, we can conclude that this parable deals with the time,…[Read more]

Quote If you do not believe in Jesus because you feel there is a lack of evidence he existed, I challenge you to prove that Rabbi Gamaliel (Gamaliel the Elder) was a real person.

Luke refers (1:1-3) to previous accounts (plural) of the gospel and of his as a more ordered one, so his can neither be first or second. Some scholars are now coming full circle and accepting an early Matthew. For example: J.B.Orchard, Matthew, Luke and Mark, 1976 John Wenham, Redating Matthew, Mark and Luke, H&S, 1991 John A.T.Robinson,…[Read more]

Modern scholars normally relegate Matthew and indeed the other gospels to after the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. W H Y ??This is due to their denial of prophecy when Jesus' predicts the fall of Jerusalem. For them to believe that it was written before this date, they'd have to recognize that Jesus' prophecy was true.

Eusebius, writing in the 3rd century, favoured 41 A.D. as the time of writing of Matthew.Subscriptions in a number of manuscripts later than the tenth century say that this Gospel was written about the eighth year after Jesus’ ascension. (c. 41 C.E.). This does not conflict with the internal evidence, since the account ends with Jesus’ com…[Read more]

Quote As I've said more than once (I think I have) I don't doubt the existence of a historical Jesus, I just doubt that a man who supposedly did all of the things in the Christian bible that would have drawn attention form every historian in the area would have made it into the annuls of history. –towshab.It would have “drawn attention from every…[Read more]

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Quote Perhaps I have missed it, but surely the Jewish tradition has many nasty practices on which Towshab could be challenged. How about the non-consentual infant mutillation that is circumcision? What about shechitah, the method of animal slaughter which is claimed to be painless but is far more distressing to the animal than modern…[Read more]

I think we all just have to chill a little bit on this forum. Since this isn't real conversation, it's often hard to understand the tone of what is said.

Quote No, I think you are distracting from the main point. Darwin had contemporaries who wrote about him from personal contact with him. Jesus didn’t. I think you're in the wrong thread. This one is a challenge to any who can prove Gamaliel existed.Secondly, the point I was making when I began mentioning Darwin (if you will remember) was that y…[Read more]

Quote Why are you all debating whether Jesus pre-existed? Shouldn't you be validating whether or not he existed in the first place? –Oct 24, Pre-existence thread, TOWSHAB.But, here, you say:Quote As I've said more than once (I think I have) I don't doubt the existence of a historical Jesus,So I assume you now understand why I would think you did…[Read more]

Quote I happen to think it likely that Jesus was an historical figure, but the history really isn’t there to support my belief.–stuSo, just for the record, stu, you believe things that you don't believe have supportive evidence.

Quote Darwin wrote books. His contemporaries quoted him from direct hearing. There are photographs of him. I have stood in his study where there are photos of him sitting at his desk.That's not too bad, as evidence goes, don't you think?Of course I wasn't questioning darwins existence. I was asking if you were knowledgeable of him, despite…[Read more]

Quote ++”Suetonius and Pliny the Younger, other Roman writers of the time, also referred to Christ.Do you have a reference for that? My reading suggests that neither Suetonius nor Pliny make any mention at all.Seutonius:http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/suey.htmlPliny:http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/pliny.htmlQuote Josephus, born in 3…[Read more]

Yes…the internet.Now, the Bible.1 JOHN 2:18-19 (c. 98. C.E.)“Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of o…[Read more]

Quote There are many people who are indoctrinated.Then there are people like me who are not.Sounds like something an indoctrinated person would say.Quote However Towshab did a number on these boards..And I have not seen anyone here to refute him.See the post above your post….and every second post for the first 20 pages.

Who does luke write his two books to?A. TheudusB. TheophilisC. TophethD. SimeonE. PuahI ask this question because I was once at someones' how and this question was in some trivia game, and at the time, I was listening to the book of acts over and over again on tape, before I went to bed. And without even knowing why I knew the answer, I quickly…[Read more]

I know. I saw it just after I came up with 5. I actually did get it without looking, but really, it was just a guess between 7 and 5.