Quote Combine the monotheism of the Israelites with pagan mythologies and you have Christianity as we know it today. I really don't argue this. It is largely corrupted, as he fortold.Quote Apollonius Persius Appian PetroniusArrian Phaedrus Aulus Gellius Philo-JudaeusColumella…[Read more]

Quote I am beginning to let go of some of the teachings of the Bible. This sounds heretical, blasphemous even,Yes, it does.

Quote the earth HAS to be 6000 years old because otherwise scripture is wrongYou're somewhat forgetful. I spent some time trying to show you various definitions of the word “day.” One such definition of that word is “epoch.”Remember?We know that the Genesis account isn't speaking about 24 hour days because the genesis account itself lumps all the…[Read more]

Quote (1) feed 5000 thousand people with a few loaves and some fish (2) attract people from 20+ cities all around him to see his miracles and hear his teaching (3) have the sky turn dark for three hours at his death (4) have dead people come to life and appear to many at his death (5) cause an earthquake at his death (6) cause Herod to kill all…[Read more]

If Gamaliel isn't important enough, (and I don't see how that's relevent to my actual argument) let's go with Moses.Some would say:”There's no evidence for him, exodus etc. One theory holds that, over decades or centuries, various groups emigrated to the holy land. Over time the history of the peoples journeys merged. Moses may have been one of…[Read more]

You speak of Jesus who was busy for 3 1/2 years and who fed 5000.Aside from the Bible, is there evidence that Moses existed? If close to 2,000,000 Hebrews had lived in and around Goshen, would there not be pottery or some actual evidence they were there for 430 years?

As “one of the greatest teachers in the annals of Judaism,” who was no doubt around and on the scene much much longer than Jesus, I'm sure he could have done something to make it into the history books.If your argument is that he did nothing special, were are the secular documents of the Hebrew prophets, and all the miracle workers of that time?I…[Read more]

I never said you have to believe in Gamaliel. I simply said you can't prove his existence. Apparently, I was right.My argument was in response to you saying there is very little evidence outside of scripture that speaks of Jesus.Well, the same could be said of a lot of supposedly important people, such as….”one of the greatest teachers in the…[Read more]

Quote Yes it has. You've proved that no one must believe in Jesus for 'salvation'.Well, I don't remember proving anything like that. What YOU have proved, for everyone Towshab, is that the Gamaliel, “one of the greatest teachers in the annals of Judaism” (wikipedia) has no real proof of existence.I would say that many people, even many who did…[Read more]

So then, my point has been proven. Thankyou.

But it was a Creten (who are “always” liars) who said this. Are cretens always liars?1.yes2. no?

Not sure why you quote the above. Has nothing to do with your meaningless comment.What I have proven is that just because someone doesn't show up in the secular historical documents, doesn't mean he didn't exist.He was preserved where God wanted it preserved–his Word, the Bible.Quote Haha your efforts to take away from people trying to show that…[Read more]

Quote Or the anonymous and non-eyewitness writer of Matthew put that “prophecy” into the dialogue for his character Jesus after the event.For no apparent reason, many “scholars” date Matthew at 70C.E. Why this date? There seems to be only one reason, as far as I can tell–It has to be that date (or later) for their world to make sense.…[Read more]

Ok, then, back to my forgotten paradoxical question that really doesn't have an answer.Quote I guess this isn't a trivia question. But it is trivial. Yet, thought provoking.TITUS 1:12-13“A certain one of them, their own prophet, said: “Cre′tans are always liars, injurious wild beasts, unemployed gluttons.” This witness is true.”The quest…[Read more]

Quote LOL I am reading the Wiki now..Did you catch this one? <a href="http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.js….amaliel” target=”_blank”>http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.js….amalielYes I have read this (for our purposes) work of fiction.

Quote Acts 22:3 3 “I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of our fathers’ law, and was zealous toward God as you all are today.Right, that's the guy. He's also mentioned here:Acts 5:34If this Gamaliel guy was such a big guy and a great Jewish lea…[Read more]

Wikipedia:In the Talmud, this Gamaliel bears the title “Rabban”, a rabbinic title given to the Nasi (head) of the Sanhedrin, of which he is the first of seven appointed leaders of that school of Hillel which earned the title. . . .In the Mishna he is spoken of as the author of certain legal ordinances affecting the welfare of the community and…[Read more]

Yes, same guy.

Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 11 2007,01:49)Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2007,18:36)Explain to me why these writers should have mentioned Jesus.I think you're answering you're own question. Think about it: Jesus was supposed to be the final Moshiach of the Jewish people, his coming was to usher in all sorts of wonderful things. Yet none of it happened.Yet…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2007,08:36)Quote Why are you all debating whether Jesus pre-existed? Shouldn't you be validating whether or not he existed in the first place? –Oct 24, Pre-existence thread, TOWSHAB.But, here, you say:Quote As I've said more than once (I think I have) I don't doubt the existence of a historical Jesus,So I assume you now…[Read more]