Quote may I say just for the record that the creation myths you are discussing are not actually true, nor even possible.Quote When are you going to pick up on my use of the words “not possible” in my reply to Laurel above?You're right, stu, 1. it's impossible for someone to be more advanced in understanding than we presently are.2. It's impossible…[Read more]

Quote You yourself have had many opportunities to present an alternative theory, and none has yet been forthcoming.My theory, for the 84th time, is the God (a far superior advanced alien being if it helps you to understand) created the universe. If You want the math behind it, my “theory” is that he used the vast amounts of energy the Bible says…[Read more]

Again, Is 53:The chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed. . . . as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, . . . he was cut off out of the land of the living.JPAnd Dan 9:“There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, and to f…[Read more]

The prophecy of “messiah the leader” includes these words:“There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error, –dan 9:24Now, the “righteous servant of Isaiah 53:”for the transgression of my people he was s…[Read more]

And then, connected to all this in Is 53 about ending transgression, we have the statment in Daniel which is definitely about “messiah the leader” which says: “There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, Again, this helps make the case even stronger for the s…[Read more]

Quote n the case of Matthew 21, a colt AND an ass. Yikes. Jesus should have been in cirque de soleil for his acrobatics.This is pathetic.. Mark (11:7), Luke (19:35), and John (12:14, 15) indicate that Jesus rode upon a colt or a young ass, but they make no mention of the presence of an older ass. Yet Matthew (21:7) writes that the disciples…[Read more]

Quote No. What particular verse or phrase would lead to such an erroneous conclusion?I guess you can ask the people who made the encyclopdia judaica.“By means of his knowledge the righteous one, my servant, will bring a righteous standing to many people;”–verse 11“If you will set his soul as a guilt offering,” –verse 10“the righteous one, my…[Read more]

Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 27 2007,11:57)Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2007,17:17)Quote (david @ Nov. 22 2007,10:29)towshab, I'm wondering where I can find the geneological records that can be traced back to david? Are there any websites that you know of that have these?Also, wondering about this.Not at the moment. I've tried to find something like this…[Read more]

Quote Is 52-53 is not messianic, its about Israel. You can make a case all day and if I feel like it I will show where you are wrong.do you disagree with this statement:“The real Israel is sinful and the Servant , free of sin.”I'm not asking you if you if you care where the statement is from. Do you agree?

Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 28 2007,12:52)Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2007,19:45)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 27 2007,18:59)Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2007,20:25)Quote Ah, the ‘Suffering Servant’. Israel (Jacob), not Jesus. –Oct 30, towSo you do believe that this is referring to Israel.But notice what I said to you before:Quote But does this explanation stand up to…[Read more]

Quote I never wanted to consider it in the first place. I know you don't “want” to consider it because it is detramental to your beliefs, but you did say that I presented a case for a suffering messiah.

Quote What am I supposed to run out and buy those books? Please list more than page references from some obscure books.The encyclopedia judaica isn't really that obscure.

Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 27 2007,18:52)Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2007,20:21)I'm not trying to make a case for the resurrected Messiah yet. I'm trying to get you, who has a very Jewish mentality on this that the Messiah would have to suffer.Also, here you said I made a case for a suffering messiah. But it's based largely on Is 53, and now you have…[Read more]

Quote Where do you people get this? I never once supported such an idea.You're right. see above post.

Quote DavidGood points.I didnt realize he has now backed out of the Messiah being a suffering Messiah.He has never believed the Messiah was a suffering messiah. What it seemed to me he was backing out of was the possibility that the servant in Is 53 was the Messiah.He specifically said that I made a case for a suffering messiah and I was…[Read more]

Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 27 2007,18:59)Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2007,20:25)Quote Ah, the ‘Suffering Servant’. Israel (Jacob), not Jesus. –Oct 30, towSo you do believe that this is referring to Israel.But notice what I said to you before:Quote But does this explanation stand up to close scrutiny? It is true that in some contexts Isaiah does speak of…[Read more]

Quote (it's been right for 150 years, and still going strong!)Umm. No.As you yourself state, the understanding keeps changing. That's what makes science so great, right? The Darwinian belief isn't really what evolutionists today believe. The slow changes over time haven't been shown. So, we need to make a change to make it fit. Mutations.…[Read more]

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Quote Ah, the ‘Suffering Servant’. Israel (Jacob), not Jesus. –Oct 30, towSo you do believe that this is referring to Israel.But notice what I said to you before:Quote But does this explanation stand up to close scrutiny? It is true that in some contexts Isaiah does speak of Israel as God’s “servant.” But he speaks of Israel as a wayward,…[Read more]

Quote (Towshab @ Oct. 31 2007,12:14)Quote (david @ Oct. 30 2007,18:01)Belief in Messiah's arrival was nurtured among the Jews for centuries. Yet, when Jesus of Nazareth came, most Jews ultimately rejected him as Messiah. To the Jewish mind, Jesus did not live up to expectations.Among Jews the term “Messiah” came to stand for a descendant of King…[Read more]