stu, does the existence of science or the ability to reason and make progress negate the existence of God?Do any of the known laws of science negate the existence of God?Yet, you are 100% certain there is no God.In your own words, you my friend, are intellectually dead.And I asked if you were an agnostic. You eventually decided you were an…[Read more]

History tells us that the earliest Christians followed Jesus who was “no part of the world” and whose kingdom was “no part of the world.”“Early Christianity was little understood and was regarded with little favor by those who ruled the pagan world. . . . Christians refused to share certain duties of Roman citizens. . . . The Christians . . . f…[Read more]

Quote So you have no pressing opinion to share on the very high likelihood that scripture is a human invention, probably politically motivated, I'm wondering why you think it is probably politically motivated?

Quote I am objecting to is that creationist liars, or those of the design delusion quote scientists out of context to make it seem as if they are skeptical of the scientific view, which they are not. Quote It doesn’t seem that way to Stephen Hawking, either. Neither of us disproves a creator, Yes, stu, I realize that stephen wasn't trying to d…[Read more]

Quote How long do you expect it to “go on”? 400 years ago at Eton College it was compulsory for the students to smoke. You could say it took nearly 400 years for science to ‘get that right’. The point you would be missing is that there was not much evidence or experimental technique back then to discover what we now know about smoking. The sam…[Read more]

Quote As we have discussed already, opinions that lack evidence are just opinions and they demonstrate nothing. It is unfortunate for David Deutsch that he is quoted in the creationist manner (out of context) in a way that suggests he is endorsing a design point of view. This link demonstrates that he is an atheist and would do nothing of the…[Read more]

So Stu, how was your Christmas?

Quote David, are you weakening? Your earlier responses to me held more power. These last few are so feeble. They show nothing, prove nothing. Are you finally seeing the GT for the fallacy it is?Once again, i believe you are deeply “confused.” I may be spending less time on these posts, mostly because we're having discussions in 5 different…[Read more]

Quote And this is supposed to mean what? I know people who believe in Scientology and Urantia Book. So will you then accept the validity of these writings?The difference is they believe something they didn't see, or have no way of knowing for sure. The disciples of Jesus did know Jesus. They believed Jesus, a man they saw. They didn't believe…[Read more]

Quote (Towshab @ Jan. 04 2008,14:22)Quote (david @ Jan. 03 2008,21:18)Quote Joh 15:5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.Well, Christians certainly believe that. Here Jesus says that apart from him, we can do nothing. Interesting in that he…[Read more]

To Pharaoh, who considered himself a god and a son of the Egyptian god Ra, Jehovah spoke of Israel as “my son, my firstborn,” and called on the Egyptian ruler to “send my son away that he may serve me.” (Ex 4:22, 23) Thus the entire nation of Israel was viewed by God as his “son” because of being his chosen people, a “special property, out…[Read more]

Quote Joh 15:5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.Well, Christians certainly believe that. Here Jesus says that apart from him, we can do nothing. Interesting in that he also supposedly said:Joh 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I…[Read more]

When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?–Job 38:7Who can resemble Jehovah among the sons of God?–Ps 89:6Quote Because Christianity claims that YHVH fathered Jesus.The Greek scripturs claim that Jesus was a son of God, more than that, the only begotten son of God, and the Hebrew…[Read more]

Quote (Towshab @ Jan. 04 2008,13:57)Quote (david @ Jan. 03 2008,20:55)“It can have been by no means so easy as some writers seem to think to invent words and deeds of Jesus in those early years, when so many of His disciples were about, who could remember what had and had not happened. . . . The disciples could not afford to risk inaccuracies (…[Read more]

The ones who wrote the Christians scriptures at the very least, BELIEVED what they were writing, (like the suicide bombers believed they were right and correct in their actions)Were myths and legends introduced after the original writing was completed? We have already seen that the text of the Christian Greek Scriptures is in better condition than…[Read more]

“It can have been by no means so easy as some writers seem to think to invent words and deeds of Jesus in those early years, when so many of His disciples were about, who could remember what had and had not happened. . . . The disciples could not afford to risk inaccuracies (not to speak of willful manipulation of the facts), which would at o…[Read more]

The apostle Paul, speaking of those who witnessed the resurrection of Jesus, said: “Most of remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep in death.”—1 Corinthians 15:6.

“The early converts knew that they might at any time be called upon to undergo death for their religion. . . . Every early writer advocating Christianity, by the fact of his advocacy, braved the civil power, and rendered himself liable to a similar fate. When faith is a matter of life and death, men do not lightly take up with the first creed w…[Read more]

Basically, Tow, you believed Peter was making something up because you are biased towards Jesus. Hence, Peter was wrong and making up a myth.But oops, turns out he was quoting a thought from the Hebrew scriptures.And I don't think Peter was quoting Ps 84 as you say. If anything it seems more likely that it was Ps 90, as Nick points out.

Quote That myth was made up by PeterQuote Actually, I am wrong.That's ok, Tow. We all make mistakes. The important thing is to learn from them, and move on.PSALM 90:4“For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past, And as a watch during the night.”