Quote Jeremiah 23:5-8Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS…they…[Read more]

Quote Hi Isaiah,I'm pretty tired tonight, I've been listening to a lot of audio from the site you recommended OR thought that Tow got his material from. I've also been looking at the scriptures you shared and your comments. I have a few questions for you.Quote…..that the Messiah comes more than once, and in two different fashions. The first…[Read more]

Yes, scholars can be wrong. But that vast majority of scholars from John, down to today have accepted that John is the writer of that book. There are always the conspiracy lovers, but as Kejonn himself admitted, this idea of lazarus being the writer is based on “nothing really.”John 20:21,24THE DISCIPLE WHOM JESUS USED TO LOVE . . .THE ONE WHO…[Read more]

God has certainly set blood apart for a special use. What is the designated use of blood in the Bible?“For the soul of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have put it upon the altar for you to make atonement for your souls, because it is the blood that makes atonement by the soul in it.” (Le 17:11) “The soul of every sort of flesh is its b…[Read more]

Quote I was not referring to what Jesus did but his pointing out what David did. What do you have to say about King David? Alright.According to Leviticus 24:5-9, the loaves of presentation that were replaced on each Sabbath were reserved for the priests to eat. THE PRINCIPLE BEHIND THIS use was that the loaves were holy and were to serve as food…[Read more]

Quote David,Why would Peter say this about one of the twelve apostles? Joh 21:20 Peter, turning around, *saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” Joh 21:21 So Peter seeing him *said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this…[Read more]

John 20:21,24THE DISCIPLE WHOM JESUS USED TO LOVE . . .THE ONE WHO AT THE EVENING MEAL . . .THIS IS THE DISCIPLE that bears witness about these things and THAT WROTE THESE THINGSI have often said and stand by my belief that the bible is man's way of viewing God. To suppose it is the infallible word of God would be to ignore the thousands of…[Read more]

“Looking at the intensity of this force in relation to the others, some physicists figure this force to be 10 to the 40 times that of gravity. If this force were 10 to the 41 times that of gravity, (gravity would be proportionally weaker) the stars would be smaller, and the pressure of gravity in their interiors would not drive the temperature…[Read more]

Yes. Me too.Jason BeDuhn WHO IS NOT A JW, is a Greek scholar and Associate Professor of Religious Studies Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion Northern Arizona University, where he teaches Greek. He holds a B.A. in Religious studies from the University of Illinois, Urbana, and M.T.S. in New Testament and Christian Origins from Harvard…[Read more]

JOHN 21:20,24“Upon turning about Peter saw THE DISCIPLE WHOM JESUS USED TO LOVE following, THE ONE WHO AT THE EVENING MEAL had also leaned back upon his breast and said: “Lord, who is the one betraying you?”. . . .THIS IS THE DISCIPLE that bears witness about these things and THAT WROTE THESE THINGS, and we know that the witness he gives is tru…[Read more]

Quote Witherington's best evidence, in my opinion, is that Lazarus is uniquely identified as one whom Jesus loved. Yes, Lazarus, and Martha and Mary are “uniquely” named in such a way.BUT NONE OF THESE WERE AT THE LORD'S SUPPER and we know that there was a DISCIPLE there whom Jesus loved. And we know that it is this disciple whom Jesus loved and…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 26 2008,19:08)Quote (david @ Jan. 26 2008,00:37)Do emergencies make breaking God's law's ok? Please see above.Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat. Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him,…[Read more]

In any case, the “lazarus” idea, him being called “loved” by Jesus, along with Martha and Mary, does not make him the “disciple” whom Jesus loved and who was at the last supper with, and who wrote the book of John. According to Mathew, Mark and Luke's account, Lazarus was not there, and from Jesus' own words, he made a covenant with those ones…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 27 2008,01:36)Nothing really. In any case, scholars date GoJ around 90-100 CE, John was likely long dead since then.Kejonn, So, this entire discrediting of John is based on “nothing really”??The scholars think that is was most likely John, but you want us to believe it wasn't.The scholars correctly believe that the gospel of…[Read more]

This thread is supposed to be on whether JW's are “Christians.” I have opened up the “blood” thread that deals exlusivily on this subject.As to whether JW's are Christians and actually live their lives by the Bible or are just ones who say and do not perform, the last few pages have answered that. If there is any group that puts following the…[Read more]

Just as a point of reference:ACTS 15:19-20“Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.”ACTS 15:28-29“For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU,…[Read more]

Quote And one passage in acts that wasn't even written by actual disciples of christ but by reconstructionists should not lead you to let your child die.Do you think there's only one? First, I think you should find the second one. Then, I suggest learning WHY or at least attempting to contemplate WHY God put those restrictions up. Have you even…[Read more]

ok, here's the actual thread.

What are the actual reasons for believing John didn't write John?

Quote Hi Stu,They use the bible but not wisely. Without finding support verses they build doctrines by superficial understanding of one verse and thus wander far from truth.Rich man and lazarus, meet nick. Pot, meet kettle.