So, this is an important issue. I feel a lot of time is wasted in various threads here.Either the following scripture is true or it is false.JOHN 3:16““For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.”If it is true, much is to be lo…[Read more]

Quote This is a very tough issue because it is a clear case where you can find scriptures to support both views? The thing is, MR. Steve, I don't think we can find scriptures to support both views without doing a whole lot of twisting to the scriptures on the one side. You'll notice that one side we have 3 things:–A parable (which isn't…[Read more]

Quote You confuse the international dominion of the hearts and minds of natural men by the god of this world with those authorities God has placed over us and whom we are obliged to obey. 1Peter 2 13f Christ never despised or oppsed the illegal occupation of Israel by Rome.He even upheld the authority given to the Pharisees.You do not understand…[Read more]

Quote I think you will find many cults have preached their gospel to the world. Mormons for one.I think a bit more research would be good, t8. Only 1 out of 200 Mormons are engaged in the ministry. True, that 1 out of 200 goes hard core for a couple years, and then, they're done.You won't find them in countries preaching where it is illegal to…[Read more]

Quote I've never cared for the way you debate, David.You have a chip on your shoulder.We obviously have very different belief systems and I thank you for your input so far, but I really don't wish to engage you further.mANDY, I was imitating your “hmmm”. To me, based on your three comments, it seems you've gone completely to the other end of the…[Read more]

Quote David, you'll have to forgive me but I really don't think man can figure out for certain the dates and times, it is merely speculation.Do you not think God wanted people to understand his word? It seems like a cop out to me to say we can't attempt to understand something that too me speaks of “messiah the leader.”Quote What did he give up?…[Read more]

Quote David, how do you explain the 37 years between the death of Jesus and the destruction of the temple? According to Daniel, both events were to occur at the same time (anointed one cut off and city and temple destroyed).I don't remember it saying that. Please show me where it says that.

Quote It's not up to us to make rules and say God never allows his children to go to war. If that were the case, then King David wasn't God's child. –t8Who exactly are you comparing King David to today? Who can you compare to him? The situation is obviously much different today.Quote Does God give victory to armies like he did with Israel? –t8T…[Read more]

The picture Isaiah presents here is of a completely innocent, pure individual whose suffering and death provided atonement for his own nation, which did not acknowledge him. Today, however, most Jewish commentators accept as an established fact that the reference is to the nation of Israel as a whole or to a righteous group within the nation.…[Read more]

I still can’t get away from this scripture:“‘Indeed, My servant . . . was despised, shunned by men . . . We held him of no account. Yet it was our sickness that he was bearing, our suffering that he endured. . . . But he was wounded because of our sins, crushed because of our iniquities. . . . We all went astray like sheep . . . And the LORD visit…[Read more]

–Is there an explanation of this prophecy that harmonizes both with its stated purpose and with historical facts? Notice the following: Seventy weeks: Jewish commentators almost universally understand this to mean weeks of years, in other words, 490 years. This is in harmony with the Scriptural prophetic calculation of “a year for each d…[Read more]

WHEN WOULD Messiah the leader ARRIVE?Daniel 9:24 (JP): “Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people.”–What is the purpose of the time period mentioned? “To make an end of sin, and to forgive iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal vision and prophet.” From these words alone, one would expect this to be one of the most im…[Read more]

Quote It says that the Messiah (who you think was/is Jesus) was “cut off with nothing for himself”, but Jesus was glorified Yes, he was later glorified. But, he was also cut off with nothing for himself.He was cut off in death, giving up all that he had, as a ransom for mankind. (Isa 53:8)

“which “Messiah the Leader” you think this refers to?”Quote Perhaps the One who is yet to come?But he would be arriving at the wrong time.

Quote You can make a patchwork quilt of 1000 misinterpreted scriptures and it would still not make one truth. Either the earliest Christians were wrong, or some people today are wrong. I would choose to go with the people that actually lived right after the time of Jesus than those who can only say I am misinterpreting scriptures, and…[Read more]

Quote He was a centurion at the time Jesus said those words.If he was a Christian or received the message, then that shows that he was a centurion and a believer at the same time which would be contrary to your argument.My arguement T8, is simply this fact of history:“A careful review of all the information available goes to show that, until the t…[Read more]

On a different note, I've eaten 4 banana's today and for some reason, suddenly I'm craving another one.

Quote I am interested in you shedding light on the scriptures you believe apply to Jesus. Daniel 924 “There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error, and to bring in righteousness for times indefinite, and t…[Read more]

Did the ron people leave?

Quote Hi david,I wondered when you would paste in your favourite JW teachings. Yes Nick, and there's only 45 scriptures that I'm relying on to come to that conclusion. Your response is the usual one: Say I'm a JW, as though that's some sort of proof of something.nick, let me simplify this for you. A bunch of people on here who think Ron is great…[Read more]