Jewish scholar Abba Hillel Silver wrote that according to “the popular chronology” of the day, “the Messiah was expected around the second quarter of the first century C.E.”—-A History of Messianic Speculation in Israel, Rabbi Abba Hillel Silver, 1927, Macmillan Co., pg 5-7Now for the full quote. Again, I don't really understand the reasoni…[Read more]

Quote But as usual, you avoided the last post. I said the OT speaks of a messianic era. That era has not come. Hi Kejonn. I don't know why and I'm not sure exactly what it's based on,, but yes, they did believe in a messianic era. And they seem to believe for whatever reason that it would begin around the time of Jesus. The first 2 quarters of…[Read more]

Quote BTW, God willingly threw a stumbling stone in our way? Or he knew the hearts of the majority of Israelites and understood the future.After the nation of Israel was crushed by the Roman army, the people were enslaved and dispersed around the world. In their adversity they began to wonder why the Messiah had apparently missed his appointment…[Read more]

Quote So while Christ and the Spirit may not be divided, the body is. Big time. That is one possibility. The other possibility is that these ones are not the body of Christ, for Christ is not divided. His disciples are not divided. The truth is not divided. The false teachers, bad fruit, ones who say “lord, lord” that Jesus foretold are…[Read more]

I am re-naming this thread: “Discuss whatever you like” thread.And I am creating a new thread, a more specific one.

Quote Voluminous amounts of reading please forgive my laziness Theo, anyone that uses the word “voluminous” should have no problem with reading!

Hi Theo.Yes, to err is human. You've said that a couple times now and no one is disagreeing with that. We all stumble in word and deed many times, and I more than most. But, if it is too much to read all I wrote, then perhaps I'll just say this on tithing:The Bible states categorically that the sacrificial death of Jesus, in 33 C.E., “blotted o…[Read more]

On Tithing:At no time were first-century Christians commanded to pay tithes. The primary purpose of the tithing arrangement under the Law had been to support Israel’s temple and priesthood; consequently the obligation to pay tithes would cease when that Mosaic Law covenant came to an end as fulfilled, through Christ’s death on the torture sta…[Read more]

(page 55 of this thread:)https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=540Quote Greetings David….If I were looking for Gods' church I think it would be a small group of folks that are adhereing to a form of apostolic christianity that has its roots in sabbath keepingHi Theo. I'm wondering how you would respond to my posts on page 55 of this thread…[Read more]

The criminal might look upon his imprisonment as an “evil” thing, for example, but it is justice and good on the part of the righteous that God does such things. It cannot be considered “evil” as you most often see that word used.

Quote Did you know that God created evil, and made the wicked? Isaiah45:6-7 I am Ieue Alueim, and there is none else. Former of light and Creator of darkness, Maker of good and Creator of evil.My Bible translates that word as “calamity.” And for those who he casts judement on, it is certainly that, and can be perceived as evil or bad.But he is…[Read more]

Quote In addition the book speaks to organized religion as we know it today and the dogma it proliferates….It speaks to the need to adhere to the law with respect to the sabbath and tithing…It speaks to Gods'plan for mankind and the mercifull way it will afford every living human being an opportunity to be saved from eternal death….It speaks…[Read more]

Quote Quote (david @ Mar. 14 2008,18:57)I would really like to keep this thread to only discussing the prophecies of the Hebrew scriptures and how they relate to Jesus.So which ones would you like to discuss? Anything related to the messiah. Much on here hasn't been.I'm actually going to start another thread on one of these scriptures, because it…[Read more]

Quote Did God make this serpent (Satan or the devil) just as an experiment? Or did He know, being an all-wise God, just what would be the result? I don't believe God made “Satan” (resister/opposer) or “devil” (slander) any more than a parent “makes” a criminal. The child itself chooses that way of life and eventually becomes a criminal.Yes, God…[Read more]

What does his book say?Yes, we've heard: “Just read it” many times.Apparently, it is a wonderful book, with wonderful things in it. Yet no one really wants to discuss what is actually in this book, what this book teaches. Why is that?Oh, “just read the book.” What makes this book so wonderful? What has he said that others haven't said? What…[Read more]

Quote I would really like to keep this thread to only discussing the prophecies of the Hebrew scriptures and how they relate to Jesus.

Quote They were sending goats over the wall and then the Romans sent a pig. That was the deal breaker as you could imagine.Vespasian was the one that led the sack of Jerusalem so he matches the prince in these verses. Whom does history show to be the “people of a leader that is coming,” the people that did come after Jesus was anointed as “Me…[Read more]

I think I remember you starting a thread on those bones before. I don't think it went far.

Quote Dan 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. Dan 9:27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many…[Read more]

So, getting back to the topic, what do others think of the prophecy of “messiah the leader” and the 70 weeks in danial 9:24-27?A definite time frame is given for when messiah would arrive–69 weeks (of years) after the word being given to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.This prophecy of “messiah the leader” is about terminating the transgression,…[Read more]