Quote Just curious, but if you DON'T believe in evolution, how big would the ark need to be to fit 2 of every unclean animal of the earth as well as 7 of every clean one? kejonn, did you know that all the variety of “dogs” we have today came from one “kind” of animal, the wolf?The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and una…[Read more]

Quote David,That post was a hard read. Do you have a source? I know the semitic cultures shared similar flood stories, but I'd be interested in the details of others you mentioned.I know. I'll go back and edit it.

Quote Yes, it would capsize and sink . The point of the this was not whether a localized flood (no evidence whatsover of a “worldwide” flood) did not occur, just that each made a claim that God protected one family (or person). I just finished watching a nova special on the scablands of the U.S. Forever everyone believed that they were caused by…[Read more]

Quote sometimes you almost proclaim ignorance as virtue.Ignorance of some things (such as the occult) would be a virtue.If someone has an intimate knowledge of the occult, that would be the opposite of a virtue.If someone has a knowledge of how to commit badness (human torture for an extreme example) that wouldn't be a virtue. Sometimes, lack of…[Read more]

Such a cataclysm as the Deluge, which washed the whole world of that time out of existence, would never be forgotten by the survivors. They would talk about it to their children and their children’s children. For 500 years after the Deluge, Shem lived on to relate the event to many generations. He died only ten years before the birth of Jacob. M…[Read more]

Since this is God's portrayal in the OT, I guess we should discuss that, in relation to gilgamesh.It is the story of the exploits of Gilgamesh, described as being two-thirds god and one-third man, or a demigod. One version of the epic states: “In Uruk he built walls, a great rampart, and the temple of blessed Eanna for the god of the firmament A…[Read more]

Quote As you can see, the Noah flood story has elements from BOTH flood stories, both Babylonian! From the Atrahasis version comes loading the boat with animals and an offering when Atrahasis gets off the boat. Also, just as in Gen 8:21, God sees the usefulness of humans.From the Gilgamesh story comes the story of landing on a mountain and sending…[Read more]

Quote My only remaining question is this: if we are to NOT have idols, should we not pray “in Jesus's name”? Because now I'm certain that Jesus is NOT God but Son of God. This would mean that we should ONLY pray to God the Father and not to Jesus the Son right? Because we are sinful, we need a mediator between us and God, who is holy.It is just…[Read more]

Quote I don't think even David has managed to post this much in one go!Stuart No, I have several times. The thing I find is, people are much much less willing to read the larger posts. You're better breaking it up into smaller posts, or simply underlining a few main points out of such large posts, so that at least they read those.

GENESIS 49:27““Benjamin will keep on tearing like a wolf. In the morning he will eat the animal seized and at evening he will divide spoil.””In the Bible, even in genesis, “evening” and “morning” do not have to mean “the beginning (and end) of a 24 hour day.” They can mean the beginning (and end) of some period of time.Like a wolf that eats in…[Read more]

I think the genesis account just shows us the order that things appeared in or would be seen from a human observer on earth.I don't think God created things in a way to deceive us, or make the universe look much older than it is.

Quote here was, afterall, an overall 'timeframe' for the creation event – 6 solar days. However there is no number used in conjunction with yom in this verse David, it shouldn't be understood to override what is recorded in Genesis chapter 1 which is a more detailed, expanded version of the creation account. So my point is that in chapter 2, we…[Read more]

Quote Moreover, in every other instance in the OT scriptures where the Hebrew word 'yom' is used in conjunction with a number (as it is in Genesis 1) it refers to a literal solar day. “After TWO DAYS will he revive us: in the THIRD DAY he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.” –Hosea 6:2

Well maybe it means one 24 hour day then Is 1:18:”IN THE DAY THAT JEHOVAH GOD MADE EARTH AND HEAVEN.” (GEN 1:3-2:4)

Question cato.Is that a wizard you portray, with your avatar? I don't know, but it just looks or feels like a wizard or something. Do you see yourself that way?

Quote “the evening and the morning were the nth day”, where n is an integer between 0 and 8.“a first day…a second day….a third day…This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, IN THE DAY THAT JEHOVAH GOD MADE EARTH AND HEAVEN.” (GEN 1:3-2:4)This should give us a clue that these days are not 24 hour day…[Read more]

Quote And tell me about that firmament. Does science agree with that too?It doesn't disagree with any known law of science, does it? Explain how it does.What? Water being held up in the air? Insanity!Some translations use the word “firmament” instead of “expanse.” From this the argument is made that the Genesis account borrowed from creatio…[Read more]

Quote Quote Since you can redefine Genesis in the way you want then it means nothing at all.–stu.I'm not “redefining” anything. Check a dictionary. If your previous interpretations of genesis were wrong based on your wanting the Bible to be wrong, what of it?Quote I also remember the message of that book being distorted out of shape in the…[Read more]

1. The period of light between dawn and nightfall; the interval from sunrise to sunset.2.a. The 24-hour period during which the earth completes one rotation on its axis.b. The period during which a celestial body makes a similar rotation.3. Abbr. D One of the numbered 24-hour periods into which a week, month, or year is divided.4. The portion of…[Read more]

Quote Stu: If you define them to mean exactly one year or exactly two weeks, or goodness me, ‘one day’ then they do not match science. Stu: “day” 1. 24 hour period2. day as in night and day3. general period of time as in “grandfather's day.”4. Epoch.stu, it appears that the days of creations were epochs of time.