Quote Hi Mrs,The lake of fire is written. And it is written that it is the “second DEATH.”

Quote Churches use it for a means of control over people by inserting themselves between the people and GOD. They want people to think their destiny depends on them, not GOD.I have a question Gene. If you teach that one's destiny depends only on God, and that we don't really have any effect on that, then what is the point of trying to do ……[Read more]

Quote the key is the definition of (FREE) Will. The definition i heard was to choose something without (any influence) of any kind This is not the definition most think of when they think of free will. And even if they consider this definition, many would regard this, as “any influence.”If I force or someone forces you to make a choice, of…[Read more]

Quote Sheol seems to a place in the earth. It is the grave, the pit, the common grave of mankind.Nick, on the last page you have 5 posts that only say topical.Yet, not a lot of responses.

Quote your argument falls apart because Judas was predicted to betray Jesus way back in the old testament. It was predestined to Happen.True, in the account at John 6:64, on the occasion of some disciples stumbling over certain teachings of Jesus, we read that “from the beginning Jesus knew who were the ones not believing and who was the one t…[Read more]

Deut. 31:20, 21: “I shall bring them to the ground that I have sworn about to their forefathers, which flows with milk and honey, and they will certainly eat and be satisfied and grow fat and turn to other gods, and they will indeed serve them and treat me with disrespect and break my covenant. And it must occur that when many calamities and d…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,Torturers are mentioned in scripture.Hey Nick, did you know that back then, Jailers were called tormentors. The word Jailer and the word tormentor are very very similar in Greek, if I remember.This is because being jailed, or imprisoned was consider torment in itself.

Is everything that happens the will of God?While I definitely hold that Jehovah is rightful universal sovereign, not everything that happens is his will:2 Pet. 3:9: “Jehovah . . . is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.” But not all respond to his patience. Clearly, it is not “th…[Read more]

Quote I think it was in PlasmAre you referring to this:(Ezekiel 34:23, 24; 37:22, 24, 25)

Quote David …..the point is do you believe in the absolute sovereignty of God?As far as I can tell, JW's are the only ones that speak of God's sovereignty on a regular basis. I guess my answer is yes.But no Bible will tell you that this means he's in control of everything that happens. In fact, the Bible says quite the opposite. Because of…[Read more]

Quote It was predestined to Happen.Among the pagan peoples of ancient times, including the Greeks and Romans, one’s fate, particularly the length of the individual’s life, was often considered to be determined beforehand for all individuals by the gods. According to Jewish historian Josephus (first century C.E.), the Pharisees endeavored to har…[Read more]

Quote “Mans goings (good and evil) are of the LORD, how can man understand his own way?”Prov. 20:24“It is not of him that willeth… but of God” Rom. 9:16“It is God that worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure” Phil. 2:13“who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will” Eph. 1:11“for of Him and through Him and to Him are…[Read more]

Quote David……> your argument falls apart because Judas was predicted to betray Jesus way back in the old testament. I don't know that “Judas” specifically was, but anyway, does knowing that someone else is going to do something ahead of time neccessarily mean that that person didn't have a choice?

Quote Scripture does not say that God tortures men for eternity.Thank you for finally admitting this. Quote Scripture speaks of the destruction of the body and the soul . . . .Who knows what that involves or how long it takes? I know it doesn't take eternity to destroy something. If it did, the thing would never actually be destroyed. Hence, a…[Read more]

The Great Potter, Jehovah can and does, for his own wise, just and loving reasons, choose the time, manner and circumstances for rewarding the righteous and punishing the wicked.Note how clear this point is made at Jeremiah 18:6-8: “Look! As the clay in the hand of the potter, so you are in my hand, O house of Israel. At any moment that I may s…[Read more]

EXODUS 8:15“When Phar′aoh got to see that relief had taken place, he made his heart unresponsive; and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had spoken.”EXODUS 8:32“However, Phar′aoh made his heart unresponsive this time also and did not send the people away.”I'm just wondering how some would compare these scriptures that say Pharoah hardene…[Read more]

Quote Hi DavidI have provided the link to the material I used. Was it a month and a half ago now?Stuart Wasn't your link just some guy saying what he believes. I found no evidence for the idea that the ark could not float, for example. I could just as easily give you a link to someone on this very thread who disagrees with you. I think some…[Read more]

Quote It is better to accept all scripture as truth rather than choosing the bits we like and can understand.And that's precisely what I've told you about 15 times on this very thread. You have precicely two things you use to support your idea of God as someone who tortures people for all time:1. An illustration.2. The highly symbolic book of…[Read more]

Quote why don't you explain more clearly by using some verses. 1.–What does Jeremiah 7:31 say? (Also Jer 32:35; 19:5)–What does Jeremiah 7:31 tell us about Jehovah?–How does that thought about Jehovah at Jeremiah 7:31 compare to the teaching of hellfire?–If it never came into God’s heart, how can can we imagine he does such a thing on a l…[Read more]

Not everywhere where wisdom is mentioned, do we think it's talking about pre-existent Christ. And not everywhere where love is mentioned do we think it's talking about God.Both love and wisdom are attributes, of both God and his son.In Proverbs, Jesus is personified as wisdom, true.In the NT, we are told that God IS love.One is a metaphor, the…[Read more]