These scriptures do not say that they disagreed with the doctrine of the resurrection but they were preaching that it was already past overthrowing the faith of those who serving the Lord waiting for the resurrection.–9494, Well, yes, it IS saying they disagreed with the doctrine of the resurrection, at least, as Paul and the other Christians…[Read more]

Hi everyone.There's a lot of “do people go to heaven” topics popping up. I was surprised to find that many on here don't believe anyone goes to heaven.I started a thread on it. Years ago. It's quite large.https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….=heaven

Hymenaeus was an apostate in the first century. Hymenaeus was identified by Paul as a blasphemer, full of “empty speeches that violate what is holy.” In his deviation from the truth, Hymenaeus, along with a certain Philetus, taught false doctrine, subverting the faith of some. One of their false teachings was that ‘the resurrection had alrea…[Read more]

Quote (david @ July 19 2008,15:05)Quote Hi David:Yes, ex-communication is scriptural if someone is practicing sin wilfully, but not simply because someone may have a different understanding on some church doctrines.–9494, while practicing sin willfully will get you disfellowshiped, true, notice this scripture DK also quoted from a JW's article:Do…[Read more]

Quote My point exactly…He feels that I am an apostate and an anti-christ and worthy of shunningI didn't say that in my post. 94 asserted that sinning willfuly was the reason for anyone to be disfellowshiped. I pointed out how things went for Hymaneaus and Philetus.

Quote Hi David:How does what Dk has done relate to what Hymenaeus and Philetus did?Were they practicing sin willfully as you say, 94? What were they doing, 94?

Quote What scripture says that we CAN NOT study with and share scriptural truths with a disfellowshipped one?None use those exact words. The principal is certainly found in scripture. Why don't you list the scriptures invovled.

Quote “Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some.” (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the…[Read more]

Quote Read..and learn my the TRUTH my brotherI read all the posts. They were from that website correct? Read the scriptures my brother.

Quote What is important that He died for our Sins and now sits on the throne with our Heavenly Father.–Irene.And what is so troubling Irene, is that so many view him either as a helpless babe in a manger or as a man dying on a cross. He is presently neither. He is at the right hand of God.

Quote Hi David:Yes, ex-communication is scriptural if someone is practicing sin wilfully, but not simply because someone may have a different understanding on some church doctrines.–9494, while practicing sin willfully will get you disfellowshiped, true, notice this scripture DK also quoted from a JW's article:Do we have Scriptural precedent for…[Read more]

So then, DK, according to JW's you are not considered “approved association.” (Watchtower Apr 1, 1986 p.30-31 Questions From Readers)My biggest thing with you, the only real thing with you, is that from the beginning, you've pretended as if everything was fine, as if you just happen to be JW who believes JW's are wrong about most everything and…[Read more]

Quote The “lie” David is you insinuating that the reason you can't find the qoute is because its not there…Well show me then. I DID search for it, and the last quote as well. The quote as you quoted it does not appear in the last 50 years. I just wish I could go and see it in context instead of reading the four or however many words from the…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,Disfellowshiping can occur with Golf Clubs and among Rotarians too.Disfellowshiping scripturally is only relevant within the body of ChristAnd how is it practiced among them Nick? Any examples? Could you use some scriptures?

Does anyone here actually wish to discuss the scriptures about ex-communication?So, DK, you called me a liar. You have yet to point out where i lied?

Quote David,In the following 38 verses from Matthew, Jesus addressed Jehovah as Father, None as Jehovah. Most, if not all, of the verses you could use Jehovah, instead of Father. Why didn't He?Seeking, I understand and quite often use “Father” when speaking to Jehovah, especially when in prayer or speaking of or to him in intimate situations. But…[Read more]

Quote You refer to the many uses of Lord in the NT as proof (see my previous post) but does Jesus ever call him Jehovah?Seeking, when he's quoting from the prophet of Isaiah (In Luke) and says: “The spirit of Jehovah is upon me…” and “today this scripture is fulfilled” do you think he removed God's name?Or do we know that the superstitious Jews…[Read more]

I have an idea. Why don't we discuss the scriptures that speak of ex-communication.It's easy to say “JW's are a cult” and ignore scriptures, but if JW's are practicing disfellowshipping wrong, please point out why scripturally. To my knowledge, almost no group actually enforces this scriptural practice.

Quote (dirtyknections @ July 09 2008,04:41)Quote (david @ July 08 2008,17:20)Quote We are not even to say a greeting to them. Not even “hello”.I ask…is this view of ex-communication scriptural…Quoting what JW's believe “However, regarding any who were Christians but later repudiated the Christian congregation or were expelled from it, the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 08 2008,19:41)Quote (david @ July 08 2008,17:20)Either he changed a word or two or it's a quote from 60-100 years ago. It's frustrating.Hi David.Does truth change every 60 to 100 years?What I meant when I said that t8, is that if it's a quote from 60 or more years ago, I have trouble accessing it. If it's from the past 50 years,…[Read more]