Quote he bible does not say anything about the universe.No, it doesn't use the word universe, stu, it uses the word “heavens” which in the Bible often means the universe.Often in scripture, where the sun, moon, and stars are said to exist is called the “heavens.”De 4:19; Isa 13:10; 1Co 15:40, 41; Heb 11:12; Ps 8:3; 19:1-6; job 38:33

Quote Stu: Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.The earth did not form until the universe was about 9 billion years old. You can hardly claim that was ‘in the beginning’ (listen for sound of goal posts being uprooted). How about this stu….In the beginning, God created matter.Yes, the heavens, the earth, the ele…[Read more]

Nick, do you think that this “us” that he predestined could not be a group, rather than individuals?Eph. 1:4, 5: “He chose us in union with him BEFORE THE FOUNDING OF THE WORLD, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love. For he foreordained us to the adoption through Jesus Christ as sons to himself, according to the good p…[Read more]

Quote David's Earth centred viewpoint DOES SEEM TO EXPLAIN THE GENESIS VERSION CLEARLY. Also would THIS not be the method God would use to explain to Morals on EARTH of that time-period? … KAB-68I agree that it would make sense to expain how they would have seen it happening. How could they imagine it from space?Let me give you more…[Read more]

Quote David has tried to discredit the order of daysI've never done that. I've only repeatedly given them credit as being remarkably miraculously accurate given the time this was written.Quote Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.The earth did not form until the universe was about 9 billion years old. You can hardly…[Read more]

Why is it no trinitarian ever wants to discuss with me why Jesus is called first and last and why his Father is called first and last?A couple of people have said this alpha omega thing is the strongest trinity proof, encased nicely in a very hard to understand often misunderstood book.But actually discussing it, is a different thing.There is this…[Read more]

Quote Again, If Michael and his messengers over come Satan by the blood of the Lamb, then Michael is not the Lamb. They did not love there lives so much ever till death. And so Michael and his messengers die a mortal death. P.s. Michael is never called “Prince”, the correct translations for that word is “Leader.” Mike, I'm not sure you read my…[Read more]

Quote DavidYour view does explain alot THANKS! Closest I've seen Yet. Just one last Flaw I have yet seen answered and I have no Idea how it works either? Why is God in Day 4 creating the 2 lights one to govern the day and one to govern the night? This implies the Sun and Moon to me. So where is light coming threw your primorial clouds if no Sun…[Read more]

As a side note, I often wish you would underline the portion of scripture that is supposed to make your point. You often cite many verses and I quite often really don't know what you're referring to.Thanks Nick.

Quote Hi david,Is that written?It is just as written as the idea that God has eyes and we have eyes, so we're in the image of God. I personally think God describes himself in imagery so we can understand.God had created all kinds of animals, and these worked mostly on instinct. Then, he created something enterely different, man. Man, was…[Read more]

Quote The bible writers don't know 1/100th of what we know today, so the various creation myths are the product of the imagination.Although science and understanding have grown, so have our egos. 100 years ago, many would have said just as above. 100 years ago, we “knew” the universe didn't have a beginning. Science “knew” the Bible was wrong…[Read more]

I think when it says we are in the likeness of God, we were created with attributes of God: love, wisdom, etc.

I have a question for those that hold that Jesus being called the first and the last, and God being called the first and the last, mean they are the same one.Of course, Jesus was called King of kings and so was nebuchadrezzar, both a couple of times. Anyway, 1. How or in what way is God, the Father, the first and the last, (using scriptures)?2.…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 31 2008,13:47)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 27 2006,10:44)I don't know why people persist with this nonsense that Jesus is not called the true God or the Almighty when 1John 5:20 and Revelation 1:8 clearly give him these titles.He is the son of God and it isn't nonsense.Jesus is never called “Almighty” in scripture and if you are…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,Yes, classic misuse of scripture, falsely patching individual verses together with logic and inference.Thanks. Nick, perhaps you could explain to me why according to Mike's reasoning “it is impossible for Michael to be Jesus.”

For those that asked, here are some reasons why some believe Michael was Jesus' name in heaven. (God changes names sometimes.) WHO IS MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL?The spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the…[Read more]

Quote So if Michael and his messengers overcame the devil by the blood of the LAMB, how is he the Lamb?This question, I believe, is wrong.I don't believe the scripture says that Michael and his messengers conquered Satan.Look at the scripture again:“Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for…[Read more]

In this verse, I believe it is referring to the authority of each, in a sense, much like someone would say “stop, in the name of the law.” Both the Father and son have personal names, but the holy spirit has no distinct name.

Quote Hi David:Yes, you can expel him from your organization, but not from the body of Christ.My only point was that scripturally, a person can be expelled from the congregation for doing such things.Quote Ex-communication is valid when someone is practicing sin wilfully and does not want to repent. Right, or as scripture has shown, one can be…[Read more]

Quote Google. “Bible Gospel contridictions”.You will find many.I cannot explain all of them.The greater majority of these are in no sense of the word “contradictions” and very easily resolved. Some, are harder than others.Since this is the “logic” thread, could someone logically explain a contradiction and how it actually contradicts itself or…[Read more]