Quote Let’s start with a quick experiment. You can grab three coins and actually do the experiment, or just do a thought experiment.Drop one coin and watch it fall. Do this again. Hold out the third coin.If you were to do this again, what do you think would happen? If you could get ten good Christians to pray that this next coin wouldn’t fal…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,So you would suggest he would be sneaking up and nobody would not except the spiritually aware, rather like Peter in Jn6.I think Rev 19 dispells that notion.Nick, I think you may again be confusing his 'coming' to execute judgement on God's enemies, with his 'presence'.MATTHEW 24:32-33““Now learn from the fig tree as an ill…[Read more]

Tiffany,suprisingly, I agree with almost everything you've said. But I don't look at Dan 2:44 as a sign of Christ's presence. All those governments being destroyed will be a sure unmistakable sign of his coming to execute judgement on Satan's world. As well, I think the point of saying he'd come as a thief, is, a thief comes when you dont…[Read more]

Quote Remember, one of us reserves a chink of possibility that the other is right.–stu.So you're saying you believe I may be right, that there is a possibility.?

Here is one of the larger threads on “hell”https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….8;st=10

I still enjoy chatting with you stu. This is weird. I was just going to mention something about how you're making me a stronger person, more patient, etc, and then I scrolled up to this:How do you know Stu has not been sent to test the faith of others? He is a much milder test than Job went through .In fact, the main reason I'm on here and…[Read more]

Quote Why did he bring us into existence?Why does one give someone a gift?

Quote To take all the scriptures of the coming of the son of man two thousand years into the future is to ignore all the time statement mentioned in scripture. –before timeIn response to their question Jesus described a composite “sign,” one made up of many evidences, including wars, earthquakes, persecution of Christians, and a preaching abo…[Read more]

Quote Are you suggesting he needed signs of his presenceNo, I'm not suggesting Jesus needed signs of his presence. I'm suggesting that like the days of noah, so too, the days of the son of man, will be more than a few years. And I'm suggesting that he was alerting his followers as to what was to come.And in answer Jesus said to them: “Look o…[Read more]

Quote Hi David,Surely the visible kingdom of Jesus at the end of the world is as shown in Mt13Nick, I'm really only saying his presence is invisible. His coming as spoken in many scriptures will be plain to all. But his followers asked for a sign to determine his presence.

Quote Total: 24Definition:presencethe coming, arrival, adventthe future visible return from heaven of Jesus, to raise the dead, hold the last judgment, and set up formally and gloriously the kingdom of God I'd like to point out that “the coming” (which many dictionaries give as a primary meaning) is a wrong definition.Several dictionaries say…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,Certainly there will be signs associated with his return. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming , and of the end of the world?But Nick, why would they need or ask for a sign of his parousia if he was visible…[Read more]

Quote david, I personally challenge you to find one scripture where anyone other that Yeshua is called “The Son of God”.Let's check:LUKE 1:32“This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High.” (How did the angel announcing his birth refer to him? Compare Ps 83:18, where it says that Jehovah alone is the Most High.)LUKE 1:34“Fo…[Read more]

Quote david, I personally challenge you to find one scripture where anyone other that Yeshua is called “The Son of God”.I challenge you to find anywhere on this forum where I have denied that Jesus is the unique Son of God.Adam was unique, not being born from a woman. But being unique does not equal being God almighty

Quote These are Johns own words inspired by the Holy Spirit.Right, and they show us what the unbelieving Jews falsely believed.

Quote No. I am siding with John and his testimony. John writes…But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:17, 18It was the unbelieving Jews who reasoned…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,After he comes he is present.no problem True, and why did he need to give a sign of his presence again?“What will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”—MATTHEW 24:3.

WJ,That Jesus’ pa·rou·si′a is not simply a momentary coming followed by a rapid departure but is, rather, a presence covering a period of time is also indicated by his words recorded at Matthew 24:37-39 and Luke 17:26-30. Here “the days of Noah” are compared to “the presence of the Son of man” (“the days of the Son of man,” in Luke’s account)…[Read more]

So, I'm thinking of starting a new thread to discuss this topic. anyway…Paul says: “Let such a man take this into account, that what we are in our word by letters when absent , such we shall also be in action when present .” (Compare also Php 1:24-27.) Thus, the contrast is between presence and absence, not between an arrival (or coming) and…[Read more]

Does anyone here believe the words of Matthew 24 have a fullfillment other than in the first century?If you do, I'm wondering why you think Jesus provided a sign for his parousia (presence) if it would obvious to all?Anyone?