Quote Mandy,You say it was written but that came hundreds of years later did it not. –seeking.Yes, it did.Quote Did Lot have the written law?That would be sort of impossible.

Quote Um, Dave, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the male anatomy is such that you have to WANT IT to be able to function properly….there is a level of desire that needs to be there to start the mechanics of it all, right? yes, while you're awake. But not necessarily so while asleep.http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/1518.htmlThere's…[Read more]

Quote But my point was that Lot was supposed to be righteous. He was also aware of the unwritten and written “laws' of God. Incest is clearly written. Yet he was not destroyed but the town that he came from was!! –mandyMaybe I'm missing something, but didn't Moses who lived several hundred years after Lot, record the commands?Moses was born…[Read more]

Quote So I ask you, what specific act do you know beyond reasonable doubt I have committed that you object to on biblical law?According to “biblical law” he doesn't have to know a specific act you committed for him to understand that you aren't perfect or that you sin, a word, which means to 'miss the mark', that is, the mark or standard set by…[Read more]

Quote Iam sure as you study your scriptures you will see that God has a hand in the picking of leadership….sometimes in the form of a blessing and sometimes in the form of judgement….So, theo, you're saying you've been in a “form of judgement” from God for the past several years?Which president do you think he's picked?The truth is, every…[Read more]

Quote Iam sure as you study your scriptures you will see that God has a hand in the picking of leadership….sometimes in the form of a blessing and sometimes in the form of judgement….So, theo, you're saying you've been in a “form of judgement” from God for the past several years?Which president do you think he's picked?The truth is, every…[Read more]

Quote Hi,The gift of tongues is for edification of the individual.It is for upbuilding ourselves.It bypasses the carnal mind and speaks directly to God.It is to be eagerly sought and should be highly valued. Man needs this grace desperately to gain abilities to see in the heavenly realms.As with all gifts it can be sought. We do not have often…[Read more]

Are we going to ignore the extremely relevant coptic translation then, as people have done for years?Greek, Latin, those languages back then–no indefinite article.The sahidic dialect of the Coptic language had a definite article, and when translating John 1:1, those early Christians put the indefinite article in that verse. This shows how those…[Read more]

Quote If Jesus is a lesser god or the mighty god, or any other way people want to try and make a difference without a distinction, then he is still a false god since there is only 1 true god.Hi Eppy, I read this on page 115.   It's false for several reasons.  The Father being called the only “true” God does not mean Jesus is a false god any m…[Read more]

Reading further on, she states:The Coptic translation is valid evidence against the interpretation of the anarthrous theos as definite, i.e. “The Word was God”. The Watchtower article came to a similar conclusion but (grossly) oversimplified the issue by portraying the use of the indefinite article in Coptic as itself meaning that the Word was “a god”.

Here is an article in a Watchtower:Was the Word “God” or “a god”?That question has to be considered when Bible translators handle the first verse of the Gospel of John. In the New World Translation, the verse is rendered: “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” (John 1:1) Some other translation…[Read more]

No one seems to know this or care, but the way the coptic translators translated John 1:1 about 1700 years ago may just be the most important clue to helping us to understand how it should be translated.Translating “the Word was a god,” 1700 Years Ago“At least by the third century C.E., the first translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures had b…[Read more]

The truth is, regarding John 1:1, it can go either way.  It all depends on whether the translators believe God is a trinity or not.  If God wasn't a trinity, and this was just a normal sentence dealing with normal things, it would be a conflict to have Jesus be “with” God and at the same time be God, so a definite article would be needed. (Greek o…[Read more]

Quote Either he was truly conceived and received 23 chromosomes from Mary (thus became a new and *unique* born individual) OR he merely took Mary's flesh (thus becoming a human soley based on skin.  Not inheriting our condition OR nature)?  It doesn't make sense.Mandy, what precident are you basing this on?  Is this not a unique situation that to…[Read more]

Quote We are talking about Jesus preexisting.IreneYes, I know that is the larger subject. It's just, I haven't seen John 1:1 mentioned for quite some time and that is actually the subject. (There are at least two threads on Jesus “pre-existence.”)

Quote (Tiffany @ Oct. 12 2008,07:42)Quote (t8 @ Oct. 11 2008,23:03)A firstborn can lose his birth right and given to another.All firstborns were literally speaking the firstborn.With the following exception: It could be lost and given/transferred to another.So why isn't Jesus literally the firstborn of all creation?Why isn't he the first act of…[Read more]

If I said: “Epy, you're the only true man on this forum,” how would that be understood?Would people think that all other men on this forum were false? Or could it be understood to mean that you display the qualities of a man to a higher degree than any other man on this forum?–because that is how we would of course understand it.When we are told…[Read more]

Quote These men who presume to be gods, those who deal unjustly with the people, and show partiality to the wicked, who fail to give justice to the weak and fatherless, nevertheless, they will fall, they will die, just like any other human prince, so they are not really gods at all.Hi Epy. So, you're definition of “god” would be someone who…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 09 2008,20:45)Hi DavidQuote (david @ Oct. 09 2008,11:52)IT IS FALSE LOGIC AND JUST WRONG THINKING TO ASSUME THAT BECAUSE THERE IS “ONLY ONE TRUE GOD” THAT EVERYONE ELSE THAT IS CALLED GOD IS EITHER A PART OF THAT GODHEAD OR FALSE. Ok, but I have asked you and t8 to present your unambiguous scriptural evidence for…[Read more]

Quote as soon as you can tell me how Jesus is god, but not the true God, and yet not therefore a false God… perhaps I will read your verses. –epistlmaniacIn my mind, this is the biggest twisting of logic and one of the largest and most deceptive arguments for the trinity. Let's consider it.ROMANS 16:27“to God, wise alone, be the glory t…[Read more]