never mind. Wrong thread.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 18 2008,02:10)Hi All.Here is some links about the Coptic version.David's attempt to claim the NWT and a few other translations of John 1:1c as “the Word was “a” God”.is a violation of the scripures and the Monotheistic faith of John and the Apostles who followed Yahshua and were eyewitnesses of him and claimed that…[Read more]

Quote I am German and I do have a German Bible. Quote I simple let the Holy Spirit straighten me out, if I am wrong. And when you ask God to show you, He will and He has.It has taken some time in some subjects and I have to wait on God. Translated from German:Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany(1975):“and a god (o…[Read more]

Quote David's attempt to claim the NWT and a few other translations of John 1:1c as “the Word was “a” God”.is a violation of the scripures and the Monotheistic faith of John and the Apostles who followed Yahshua and were eyewitnesses of him and claimed that he was and is God.Where? Please, let's avoid the circular reasoning and actually discuss…[Read more]

Quote This is a distortion of the truth. The whole point of John 1:1c not having the definite article is to show that “The Word” is not the Father, yet at the same time showing the nature or quality of “The Word” is God.The “nature or quality of the Word” “is God.”?I didn't know God was a quality or nature. This is the trouble with being wrong.…[Read more]

Quote I think that translating John 1:1c as “a god” also would be unpopular to the Hebrews that believed there is only one “True God”.What if I said: “I believe there is only one true Captain of the enterprise–William Shatner.”You'd of course know and understand what I mean. There's been more than one captain. But saying this would mean for me,…[Read more]

Quote That only solidifies my point.The Devil tried to get Yahshua to falsly “proskuneo” him and yet Yahshua uses the same “proskuneo” for true worship to the Father.Are you suggesting it solidifies your point because you think proskyneo should only be translated “worship”?

Quote I have written on this topic here.WJ, are you Robert? Are you saying you're the one who wrote about Horner on that website or that that is your website?

You know, there are a few threads on proskyneo.This thread is on John 1:1. If we liked, we could discuss the coptic version of John 1:1, but since an even more specific thread has been started for that, it would make more sense to do so there.

I'm still not understanding your logic. The devil wanted Jesus to “falsely” worship him…you mean like, only pretend worship him, or not really worship him.No, I'm pretty sure the devil wanted an act of worship directed towards him.actually, what do you mean by “falsely proskyneo him.”

Quote Tell you the truth David after reading two of you post I got dizzy and stopped reading. My question to you is. Is the translation of the Coptic so different then the K.J. version? If not why bother, why confuse people with it?  Well, Tiffany, John 1:1 is probably the most disputed scripture, at least, on this forum.  And yes, the d…[Read more]

WJ, although I enjoy and have enjoyed these many conversations on the word Proskyneo and its MANY meanings, I would rather focus on an area of interest right now–John 1:1 and the coptic version.

Quote This is the only scripture that Yahshua gives us about “True Worship”.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship (proskuneo) him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24“Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” (Mat 4:…[Read more]

Quote DavidSince the Father is “invisible” who is being worshipped here?…Perhaps you could explain your reasoning a little better. Yes, the Father is invisible to human fleshly eyes. I can't see him, can you. Nor can I see Jesus. I'm not a spirit. They are. As are the angels.1 JOHN 3:2“Beloved ones, now we are children of God, but as yet i…[Read more]

WJ, I'm wondering what your thoughts are on the Coptic translation?

Quote DavidNo, you know he never did forbid worship to him nor point them to the Father when he was being worshipped.Not Once.WJHe never directed worship to himself, but rather to the Father, as you know. But I was referring to you using the word “worship” as though you saying that word proves proskyneo means worship in those instances. The…[Read more]

Quote Who is being worshipped here t8?And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. ….And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him;…[Read more]

Quote Thanks for bringing this up. I was unaware of this Coptic version.Sigh….another “version” of the truth.No, Mandy, not another version of the truth. Either God is a trinity or he isn't. While many Bible's translate John 1:1 as Jesus being “with God” and at the same time being that very same “God” that he is with, this very old coptic…[Read more]

Quote Yes, and remember many times the people gave glory to Yahshua and bowed down and “worshipped” him for the works he done, and not once can you find where Yahshua forbid them to do so.WJ, you know better than this.

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