Quote (Colter @ Mar. 11 2014,22:11)Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 11 2014,16:40)Colter.According to your understanding,the ub has suddenly evolvedin an instant in 1944 or something.As far as I know the world is in slavery to the god of this world.And so are you.Ony in Jesus the Word of God will you be set free.The Word of God is the holy bible.Not the…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 11 2014,22:08)Quote (david @ Mar. 11 2014,16:52)Colter, I'm not sure I understand your eggstion.  What are you asking. (I am really wanting not to take this question somewhere complicated.  I really am only concerned with the question of the board: “is slavery (morally) wrong”?I'm not sure if it's been raised before but if a…[Read more]

2 KINGS 4:1,7″Now one of the wives of the sons of the prophets cried out to E·li′sha, saying: “Your servant my husband is dead, and you well know that your servant had always feared Jehovah. Now a creditor has come to TAKE BOTH OF MY CHILDREN AS SLAVES….. So she came in and told the man of the true God, and he said: “Go, sell the oil and pay…[Read more]

So, a red herring is when you drag a smelly fish across the path of this board to distract us from the actual topic at hand. It very often works.

Colter, I'm not sure I understand your eggstion. What are you asking. (I am really wanting not to take this question somewhere complicated. I really am only concerned with the question of the board: “is slavery (morally) wrong”?I'm not sure if it's been raised before but if as many would argue, morality comes from god, and if god allows slavery,…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 11 2014,06:15)I can explain it in very simple, common sense terms:God doesn’t change, mans understanding of God is what changes. This truth is reflected in the evolution of the scripture. Religion has no critically corrective process for that which was an accepted practice or belief in one age (to the extent that man u…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 11 2014,00:11)Quote (david @ Mar. 10 2014,11:31)“The slaves rule is to obey their masters.For they depend on their masters for a living.”–WAKEUPWell what if I depend on my employer for a living?  Must I stand there and obediently be hit with a stick, because I depend on my employer for a living?Obeying an employers rules is…[Read more]

T8, colters large words, in numbers aboveThose women and children are the types of slaves I am discussing. Not the “hired worker,” or willing “servant” type that were NOT to be “treated cruelly.”

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 10 2014,17:50)Choosing to be a slave to a good master is a good thing if the master is the only one who can provide what it is you need.Today we are slaves to the bank masters who own our mortgages. We are slaves to Credit Card companies. We are slaves to our employer. When the word slave is used, I guess people just picture 12…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 10 2014,17:59)The rod of correction is also not necessarily a device for beating someone or something. God corrects me and I don't remember the last time I was beaten by him. Point being it is any method which corrects us, steadies us, or warns us to move the other way. Scripture uses metaphors that men understand. Back in the day…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 10 2014,17:59)The rod of correction is also not necessarily a device for beating someone or something. God corrects me and I don't remember the last time I was beaten by him. Point being it is any method which corrects us, steadies us, or warns us to move the other way. Scripture uses metaphors that men understand. Back in the day…[Read more]

If a slave owner reads proverbs 20:30, what is he going to do?New International VersionBlows and wounds scrub away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being.New Living TranslationPhysical punishment cleanses away evil; such discipline purifies the heart.English Standard VersionBlows that wound cleanse away evil; strokes make clean the innermost…[Read more]

BEATINGS. SCRIPTURES NOT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SLAVERY BUT ONES THAT PEOPLE WHO OWNED SLAVES MAY HAVE CONSIDERED:DEUTERONOMY 25:2 “And it must occur that if the wicked one deserves to be beaten, the judge must also have him laid prostrate and given strokes before him by number to correspond with his wicked deed.”(Beatings were not just for slaves so…[Read more]

WOMEN HEBREW SALVES WERE TREATED DIFFERENTEX 21:7-11“If a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not go free the same way that a slave man does. If her master is not pleased with her and he does not designate her as a concubine but causes her to be purchased by someone else, he will not be entitled to sell her to foreigners, for he has b…[Read more]

Is slavery wrong? No. ]]Is forced slavery wrong? Yes. ]]We should be slaves of Christ. But we choose to serve him. He doesn't force us to serve him. ]]That is my view now without delving deep into scripture regarding it. ]]————–An honest but mistaken man, once shown the truth, either ceases to be mistaken or ceases to be honest.…[Read more]

“The slaves rule is to obey their masters.For they depend on their masters for a living.”–WAKEUPWell what if I depend on my employer for a living? Must I stand there and obediently be hit with a stick, because I depend on my employer for a living?Obeying an employers rules is one thing. Owning the person, viewing them as a possession and…[Read more]

“But God has strict rules for the masters to follow.”–WAKEUPI have been trying to compile a list of these rules. So far I have only found these as far as actual specific treatment:EXODUS 21:20,21“If a man strikes his slave man or his slave girl with a stick and that one dies by his hand, that one must be avenged. However, if he survives for o…[Read more]

Hey WAKEUP. Yes. There were the Israelite slaves that fell on hard times and sold themselves into slavery (more of a hired worker situation, a servant)Then there were the non-Israelite slaves. Totally not the same at all. Actual slavery. For example:FOREIGN SLAVES (captured in war)DEUT 20:10-16“If you approach a city to fight against it, you s…[Read more]

I have been away for a while. I went to another country where slavery still exists. I bought some people and they are now my possessions or property. My money. I am careful not to injure their teeth or eyes but I do beat them with a stick as a form of discipline from time to time. It seems these servants or slaves pay no heed to words. What…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Aug. 29 2008,15:22)DEUTERONOMY 15:12-17““In case there should be sold to you your brother, a Hebrew or a Hebrewess, and he has served you six years, then in the seventh year you should send him out from you as one set free. And in case you should send him out from you as one set free, you must not send him out empty-handed. You sho…[Read more]